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Who are "Lohar" "Lohara" "Lohra" in Bihar. And is there any difference in Keral, Kerala ?
Regards,
Pradeep L Thakur
http://www.lohars.org
Who are "Lohar" "Lohara" "Lohra" in Bihar. And is there any difference in Keral, Kerala ?
Regards,
Pradeep L Thakur
http://www.lohars.org
Dear Pradeep jee
ReplyDeleteI read your comment on lohara and lohar.
I am one of the person who was involved in the sup. court case. I have visited all over Bihar and jharkhand in this regard. Please don't confuse, there is no any caste exhistance named LOHARA and now it is proved by the servey of A.N.Sinha Institute of social science, Gandhi maidan, Patna.
The institute has submitted a report to Govt of Bihar that Lohar should be provided the status of ST.
Thanks
Arun Sharma
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Dear Arun G
Deletenice to meet u Im OM SHARMA From Jabalpur (M.P) Ara Bihar
kya ye Rules yaha Madhya Pradesh mai Lagu hoga ya nhi......
So why now they categories us on the basis of spelling in the name. We are the same but forcefully they put us into karmkar . Why government not hear public issues 😞
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ReplyDeleteIts Great News!!!!!!!!!
some claim that lohar are brahman and some weep for not being considered as st/sc first decided whether you are brahmn or st/sc. both the things cannot go altogether.
ReplyDeleteI am a lohar from bihar doing Govt. job in delhi. I am happy to see this site uniting lohar. In bihar lohar is considered as obc however bihar before partition was a part of Bangal presidency consisting of West Bangal, Orrisa & Bihar further bihar broke into Bihar & Jharkhand. In all the states which had been part of Bangal Presidency lohar is either sc or st but due to lack of genuine efforts of Bihari lohar they are obc. all the bihari lohar with the help of W.B., Orrisa & Jharkhnad fight for st status. if my help is required i am ready to do my level best. satya
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pradeep ji, why u did not convince the court that it is practice of bihari people to call certain names as lohar pronounced as lohara/loharba, further teli as telia, chamar as chamarba etc. it is the speaking language of bihar. Further general names Amar is pronounced as Amarba. If a person needs black smith work, and asks someone where this will be done certainly he will tell go to lohara(lohar. As far as i know bihari lohar has lost case in supreme court due to lack of iniatives, lack of money and proper enough knowledge. go ahead even now. I am with you. satya, delhi
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ReplyDeletesir, lohars living in villages are lagging far behind educationally,sociologically & economically. without reservation, they can not uplift themself & come par with people like your thinking. by the way, its our constitutional right & not a beg & we should have it.we lost our fight bcoz of lack of unity and i am sorry to comment bcoz of people like your caliber & thinking .you r right the views you have taken but dont u feel that its your rasponsibility to for the upliftment of our community and the nation
Deletethe role of reservation is also to uplift the education level of a particular caste like fee concession, reserved seats for admission in Medical, engg & other higher education drive further reserved seat in Govt. jobs both in centre and in state. even for govt. employed persons benefits in promotion combining these all benefits it becomes a power that automaticallly pushes the caste in to a powerful and developed one. above all it is the legitimate rights of bihari lohars to be considered as st/sc. the opposition party in bihar also supporting the same like Sh. Ram vilas paswan the same is required to be brought into the notice of Bihar govt. The bihari lohars are required to be united to meeting/rally in Patna to show number and grievance to Govt. and encash it during election.
ReplyDeleteDear Friends,
ReplyDeleteI would like todraw your attention that the honourable Supreme Court of India has dismissed the claim for ST status to Bihari Lohars. I would like to say to every lohar bhai that we should strive for the status of SC in India.In some states like Himachal Pradesh and West Bengal , our caste has been given status of SC.Our caste is backward now.We should strive together by continous dialogue with Samaj Kalyan Mantralay India to get that sc status.
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Brahma Nand Sharma
Dear All,
ReplyDeletePoliticians will get everything to represent LOHARs. But LOHAR will not get anything except humiliation.
As per Rig Veda they are Brahmin (Shilpi Brahmin/Panchal/Jingra/Vishwakarma) but After Vaidik Yuga they are marginalised in hindus and deserved ST/SC status looking at current(last 200 hundred years or more) social and economic conditions. Thats the reason other castes of Bihar/Jharkhand call/write them LOHARA.
But, Indian politics always favours the caste, who have more population for vote bank. for example... Jaat of UP & Rajsthan grabed OBC status, Gujjars of Rajsthan grabed ST status, muslims grabed 5 % reservation etc.........
You will not get anything except humiliation.Please concentrate on business, money, capital resources, education and authorities. You will get everything without reservation because you have talent.
Regards
Eye Opener
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - The Pakistani city of Lahore was once called Loharpur, the city of the Lohar dynasty.
ReplyDeleteSupreme Court Judgement in case of Nityanand Sharma Vers state of Bihar CITATION 1996 SCC(3)576 JT 1996(2) 117 1996 SCALE (1) 743 OF dated 02-02-1996 need to challenged.Supreme court have given the ordered that Lohar are OBCs according to Govt notification & community wanted to wear the mask of ST to get the benefit meant for poor tribe.
ReplyDeleteNew point to challenge the order -(1)Vide notification No.A./T.3043/61-5423-R.dated 23rd June.1962 under section(46) of C.N.T. Act which was published at page 971 (partII) of Bihar Gazette dated !8.07.1962 Lohar cast is not included in the List of Backward Class.
Because of this lands of Lohar have become transferable & not protected under Chotanagpur Tenancy Act Section 46 (b)in Jharkhand.
It shows that since Lohar was belived as Lohara & Lohra it was not included the List of Backward Class.
This can be new point to raise the question again . You can contact me Mobile no - 9431334005
Now i am getting information dat govt.of jharkhand has sent letters to BDOs about inclusion of 'lohar' in ST category. . .and many have got st certificates in giridih district . . . Is dis right?. . Clear dis confusion if any of u r up to date about dis information
ReplyDeleteFriends,
ReplyDeleteThe SC/ST list enacted by the Parliament listed LOHARA in English and Lohar in Hindi. Many a times, High Court/Supreme Court has passed judgement that Lohar is ST but finally in Feb 1996 (in Nityanand Case), the Supreme Court said that Lohar is OBC, which was challanged later in the Supreme Court. During that time, Supreme Court in its daily order has passed an order that incase Union of India feels that Lohar is not ST, the ST list may be amended through Paliament. In the subsequent hearing, Union of India could not produce amended list from the Parliament and the Supreme Court passed order that Lohar is not ST. After about a year of this order, central Govt. tabled a bill in the parliament replacing LOHAR in Hindi as LOHARA in 2006.
My question is that when Supreme Court had passed an order it must have become law, then why it was later duplicated through an amendment made through Parliament? Does it not indicate that Central Govt. accepted themselves that Supreme Court's declaration was not constitutionally right and it required enactment through parliament. Lohar community lost its constitutional right of ST slowly & slowly and finally in 2006.
Yet there is hope since A N Sinha Institute, Patna, in its district wise survey report carried out by Bihar Govt., clearly concludes that there is no tribe called LOHARA in Bihar. LOHARA in nothing but LOHAR and they are same and thus Lohar is ST. Now it is up to we Lohar community that how united and sincerely we pursue and regain our constitutional right of ST.
Sir hame bataiye ki lohar caste ko central government st me manyata dega please sir jaldi bataiyega
Deletehi i am ajay lohra in jhakhand govt has ammendment letter no355 dt 19.01.2006 there have same amendment letter but in gumla block has not given proper cast certificate as per central govt required
ReplyDeletethis is very big problem ago since lohar lohara lohra all is loha worker and all is same
but my qustion lohar is some place has SC some Place OBC and Somnow all place ST why? we all belongs in INDIA
ok please reply why not issue cast certificate in central gov SC/ST formet directly by block
level now all central govt requrment prescribe forment .
and one thing govt of jharkhand and others place requried land record of 1932 brothrs GARIB ADMI KE PAAS KHANE KA PAISA NAHI THA USEE RECORD KAHA SE MILEGA AUR JO THA USEE JAMINDAR LOOT LIYE AAB GOVT USEE OBC BANA KAR ATAMHATYA KE LIYE UKSA RAHA HAI
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ReplyDeleteलोहार और लोहरा, लोहारा में कया अंतर है?
ReplyDeleteक्या लोहार जाति अनुसुचित जनजाति है ? तरह तरह की खबर मीडिया मे आती रहती है. आखीर सच क्या है ?
ReplyDeleteक्या लोहार जाति अनुसुचित जनजाति है ? तरह तरह की खबर मीडिया मे आती रहती है. आखीर सच क्या है ?
ReplyDeleteRule/ Law in democratic Republic countryf. Article 342 ( 1 ) of the constitution deals and defines ST; list of ST amended by Central Government Act No 108 of 1976; SC & ST Order Amnd Act; Section 4; Second Shedule; Part 3 - Bihar : Entry 22 specifies " Lohar " as ST Class in the authorised version of the st list co-read with The presidential Notification dated 29 Nov 1979. - Law of the land.
ReplyDeleteWhat happen to all vishwakarma they r just running for grabbing reservation quote
DeletePlease donot let our image down
Vedas has describe as one categories of bhramin
Then please all those vishwakarma who r not good for anything please do any thing to uplift ur status nd please because of ur incapabilities donot make all the lohar in st ur sc categories because we donot need reservation and people who belong to the lohar communities who r not done any thing far behind for. Betterment don't have right to add all well educated lohar to group of st or sc ...please
लोहार जाति बिहार में ST है। आप जैसे जो सक्षम हैं उन्हें जाति प्रमाण पत्र की क्या आवश्यकता।मै नहीं जानता आप कितने पढ़े हैं, कभी जमीन से जुड़े गांव के लोहारों की स्थिति देखकर समझने का प्रयास करें। अरुण शर्मा, पटना 9430037520
Deleteबिहार प्रदेश के नागरिक जो लोहार जाति के हैं, उन्हें ही एस टी वर्ग में शामिल किया गया है और उन्हें बिहार राज्य व केन्द्र सरकार के अधिन आरक्षण प्राप्त है । जाति के लिये सक्षम और अक्षम की परिभाषा नहीं है । जाति प्रमाण पत्र सभी के लिये आवश्यक है । गांव से जुडे लोहार भी हमारे जैसा ही है । स्थिति अब सभी जगह सुधर रही है । अपनी स्थिति सुधारने के लिये तो अपने को ही मेहनत करनी होगी । रही बात, सरकारी मदद की, तो सरकार सभी को मदद करने के लिये तत्पर है । हमें भी चाहिये कि अपने समाज के वर्ग को प्रशिक्षित करें ताकि वे भी आरक्षण का लाभ ले सके और अपना स्तर को सुधार सके । ...ग्यानानन्द शर्मा - 9834983688
Delete'Lohar' community of Bihar & jharkhand comes under ST category notified under the Act 108 of 1976; SC & ST Order Amnd Act 1976. The law applicable.
ReplyDeleteIn Supreme Court in Shambhoo Nath vs. UOI (CA No. 4631 dated 12.9.1990) decides the question and approves Lohar as ST. Again in Nityanand Sharma V. State of Bihar ( CA no 2688 dated 2.2.1996) Supreme Court holds Lohara as ST in place of Lohar. Lohara is neither available nor notified in the list of Hindi version in the Act 1976. The matter requires to place before Hon'ble Supreme Court to review. All of Lohar members now be United to have rights and dignity.
ReplyDeleteSabse top par mere comment padh le.Aab ja kar Bihar Govt ne Govt of India ko LOHAR ko ST dene ke liye recomendation bheja hai Cabinet diss. no.547 dt 23june 2015 wait for at least one year.
ReplyDeleteHi,
ReplyDeleteI want to know what is the current status of Bihari Lohar as in recent cheif secretary of Bihar has given statement and it got pibloshed in newspaper that Lohar has been included in ST in Bihar. We really need to be more united.
i heard that all the bihari lohar are going to be included in the st category. is it true freinds/
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ReplyDeletewhat is the latest news on lohar issue.
ReplyDeleteWe can't apply anywhere till circular issued by central govt
ReplyDelete8-8-2016 को बिहार सरकार ने लोहार(LOHARA) को अनुसुचित जनजाति का दर्जा दे दिया है,लेकिन जाति प्रमाण पत्र बनाने वाले वेब्साईट पर अभी भी लोहारा ही है. दो तीन दिन मे ठीक हो जायगा.बिहार सरकार मे SDO केन्द्र सरकार मे DM का प्रमाण पत्र चाहिये http://210.212.23.57/online
ReplyDeleteअरुण शर्मा,
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Sir Kb tak upload ho jayega,koi current information
DeleteAs you know Bihar Government has already issued a notification to issue cast certificate and provide related benefits and its on process to modify the list on RTPS. Please wait for some time.
ReplyDeleteAbhi aur kitna time lagega RTPS list update hone me????? Exams ke closing date nazdeek aa gaye hain. Which category do i apply in??? ST or OBC??? I'm totally confused. Saal waste ho jayega otherwise.
ReplyDeletePlease help. I'm here to make any contribution to mobilise and unify views and demands of our lohar community.
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ReplyDeleteIs month tk banne lagega? Lohar vikash manch se khabar aaie thi ki bhale hi st me include kr dia h bt ye kam jldi ho jata h lohar ke case me itna time lag raha h. Block me puchne pe koi jawab ni aata h na hi DM ish pe kuch v bolne ko tayar h ye sirf time brbad kr mamla sant krne ka kosis kr rahe h
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ReplyDeleteAny info reagardin update on rtps how mutch time we will wait .
ReplyDeletePlease have patience.It may take some time but good news will come soon.
ReplyDeleteAs of now put put the category as EBC for Bihar Government Job/admissions and OBC for Center Government Job and admissions
ReplyDeleteआज पत्राक 12054/05-09-2016 द्वारा बिहार मे अत्यत पिछडा जाति क्रमाक 115 से लोहार विलोपित(हटाने) का आदेश जारी हो गया. कल से अनुसुचित जनजाति का प्रमाण पत्र बन सकेगा. अरूण शर्मा, पटना 9304337520
ReplyDeleteअब आप प्रमाण पत्र बना सकते है.अपने ब्लाक आफिस मे आवेदन दे. आनलाईन भी एक दो दिन मे चालू हो जाएगा.
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Pradip jee thank U so much for a service to our लोहार samaj for providing social information platform
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Hello,
ReplyDeleteNow RTPS has been modified and people can apply for ST cast certificate
can this certificate be applicable for national level exam.....can we fill category as ST in filling form such as CAT
DeleteSIR,
ReplyDeleteI AM A EMPLOYEE OF CENTRAL GOVT. PLEASE TELL AFTER CENTER GOVT DECLAR LOAHR AS ST AFTREWORD THAN WHETHER MY SERVICE CATEGORY WILL CHANGE TO ST IN PLACE OF OBC TO GET THE ST BENEFIT.
It's a very good news .thanks a lot to all who have given their most valueble time and contribution to make thes changes.
ReplyDeleteSir , can this certificate will be applicable for central govt job. As in central list lohar is still there in obc list. please suggest.
ReplyDeleteHOW CAN I GET BENEFIT OF ST BEING ALREADY EMPLOYED WITH GOVERNMENT SERVICE AS OBC CANDIDATE
ReplyDeleteWhile applying the certificate mobile otp doesn't cumin still its needs to update
ReplyDeleteYes,thats a problem at the time of applying OTP is not coming.so take necessary steps to solve this problem as early as possible.
Deletecan this certificate is applicable for national entrance such as CAT ????
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ReplyDeleteTHANKS YOU
ARUN SIR
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ReplyDeletemy name is neeraj sharma, my caste is lohar but i have no caste certificate coz jab mai OBC certificate k liye gazetted officer k pass gya signature k lye usne mnna kr diya coz sharma OBC category ka certificate nhi ban skta, kya shi bat h?? plzz tell me
Although My name is manish kumar sharma i got my caste certificate as obc coz my dad's certificate was formed. If ur father has a caste certificate then u can show it to them they'll definitely form it.
DeleteLohar cast has been included in ST category. but till now neither in Bihar nor Jharkhand cast certificate are being issued. I request all our cast to get your certificate and your kids to take maximum benefits. However till there is doubt that in Jharkahnd lohar cast certificate of ST will be issued or not as Bihar government has issued the certificate but there is no notification in Jharkhand. I have cast certificate of OBC at Hazaribag when it was undivided it was issued by than Bihar Government. How i shall get ST certificate as I live away in a job for very long time. I need for my daughters. Please guide. Thanks
ReplyDeleteDear sir, now Bihar gov deleted lohar from obc list, but till now central list show lohar in obc.we have to put effort to make change in central obc list.
ReplyDeleteOm prakash,7631791505
has anyone got his certificate as st?
ReplyDeleteas St status has been provided to lohar in bihar I would like to know that is it beneficial in central govt jobs or in jharkhand? ????
ReplyDeleteWE NEED CLEARANCE TO SUBMIT FORM WHAT SHOULD WE SELECT GEN OBC ST OR SC????
ReplyDeleteAny one got the st certificate?what should we select the catagory for central govt job,please clearyfy this.
ReplyDeleteI am JE in BSNL at Patna I want to appear in next Exam for promotion. ST benefit may be got since BSNL under central government.
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ReplyDeleteState govt not declare lohar as st..it declare lohara caste as st...so please correct the new spelling of lohar caste as lohara.
ReplyDeleteHi, above all comments are really very helpful for me,
ReplyDeletei am Ganauri Vishwakarma from Lohar community palamau district of jharkhand.
actually my grandfather tittle was lohar, while my father tittle is mistre and my tittle is vishwakarma. by and large i want to ask that i am from lohar community, ok. do i belong to ST category in palamau district of jharkhand or OBC? i really very need to know.
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ReplyDeleteI belong to lohar caste in bihar and i have the st certificate provided by bihar government. I got the certificate form block but when i went to the dm office for upgradint it in the formate of central government for jobs in central government then they said that although bihar government has included lohar caste in st but the central government has not given them right to be in st caste. They said that they can make a obc certificate of lohar caste as they are in obc in central list.
I said them that i have been slected in the central level exam only i need the st certificate in the formate provided by central in eng then they replied that i cannot get the job of central government as we are in obc in central list and they agree to make a obc certificate of lohar caste in the formate of central government
, guys our caste is still in obc in central
I m a lohar from bihar but now there is no land in the name of my grandfather and I m aatelled in bangalore so I have a quotation that can I get a cast certificate for my son and doughter please confirm me any body my contact no. is 08867520010
ReplyDeletehi,
ReplyDeletei have some idea about lohar st status in bihar and central government job. after independence government make many list of st for include or delete many caste from different st list. 1976 st list (lohara,lohra लोहार) included in list. dear friends dont confuse yourself for central job on st quota.issue of caste certificate authority is state government and gov issuing certificate on the basis of 1976 st act passes by parliament and signed by president. and about obc list
at centre ,just forget the list we are now IN English -lohara/lohra and in Hindi लोहार.
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Hello friends,
ReplyDeleteIt’s really nice to see such effort by our community people for their caste recognition.
I am ANUJ KUMAR SHARMA, 2nd Year M.TECH student at NIT Durgapur. I belong to lohara/lohra/lohar caste in bihar.my permanent resident is Siwan,bihar. presently resident in Ranchi,jharkhand. I was randomly googling and luckily found the blog page.
During my life so far i haven’t received a single rupee as scholarship. After completion of graduation by Engineering in June, 2015.
I always dreamed of studying in best institutions of India like like IITs/NITs. But after knowing our caste (OBC) and the ongoing competitive situation in every field somewhere i got dis-motivated and depressed by the situation. I realized of this situation in year 2014 During my 6th and 7th semester.so, i started studying a lot for a National level exam called GATE (graduate aptitude test in engineering) and finally i cleared it with AIR (all India rank) 6288 and my Score was 602 in GATE 2015.Now it was the time to apply to IITs/NITs, so many of my friend those who were having a lower score got admission into best IITs because of their Caste (SC/ST). On that time i felt very bad about myself and especially about my caste. Somehow, i finally managed to get admission in a Lower NIT for master. During my Masters in NIT there are also so many challenges i am facing. Being a GATE qualified candidate MHRD offers every candidate a scholarship of 12400 INR/month. My Semester fee in NIT is 43000 INR/semester. and my Friends Those who are from SC/ST they pay fee of 6600 INR/semester. I really don't understand this discrimination with GEN/OBC candidates in terms of high admission marks and very high fee. All we used to receive same amount of scholarship, when the scholarship is credited to our accounts we need to count it and save it for next semester fee but my fellow friends used to go to shopping in branded shops, go for movies, trip’s to simla and manali but at the same time i used to seat and study in for the whole day, because if i have to get admission in Best IIT for PHD my CGPA(marks) and journal publication should be high because i have to fight competition. After knowing that our caste has been changed from OBC to ST, I am little happy that now to i have to fight among a small group of people, but also don't forget the type of discrimination professors do with their SC/ST category candidates.
Now let's talk about lohara/lohra/lohar caste in Bihar, i only know this much that our caste has been listed in Bihar as well as central government in ST and we can get certificates form the concerned authority in your district like CO/SDO etc.
If we talk about listing of caste in state government list you can go check the tribal site of government of India as
http://www.tribal.nic.in/Content/StatewiseListofScheduledTribesProfiles.aspx
in list of Bihar our caste is at no. 22
and on more link http://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/ceptam/download/STlist.pdf
which is a central government list. Don't forget to get your certificate as soon as possible for maximum benefits and also for development of our community. For clarification in Hindi our community writes Lohar which is correct but in English it is written as LOHARA so please get your certificate with English name only.
Our caste is mentioned in state and central government list in ST in English name LOHARA.I know i can help my community in my scope of knowledge only everything above said is according to my knowledge. Thank you so much for your time; stay connected because united is our strength.
For any query you can contact me at
anjkmrnitdgp@gmail.com
This St certificate also work during the admission in nit
DeleteRight, Anuj ji. You are correct whatever you have narrated. We all are so confused about spelling. We should always use about caste as - लोहार LOHARA.
DeleteIf we write as above everywhere, there is no problem.
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ReplyDeleteHello Manish,
DeleteYou can join the group on 9654 773 265
स्नेही बिहारी लोहार(LOHARA)भाईयों, कृपया भारत सरकार के जाति लिस्ट पर ध्यान न दें। केवल अंग्रेजी में प्रमाणपत्र बनाए कोई दिक्कत नहीं होगी।बहुत से लड़के ST में ज्वाइन कर रहे हैं। हाँ प्रोमोशन की इच्छुक थोड़ा धैर्य रखें । अरुण शर्मा, पटना 9430037520
ReplyDeleteसही सलाह । जाति के लिये अपने लोगों को हमेशा "लोहार LOHARA" शब्द का इस्तमाल करना चाहिये । .........ग्यानानन्द शर्मा - 9834983688.
DeleteMene bihar se St ka certificate bna liya he Co se but kya me sabhi form bhar paunga St se ya sirf bihar state ka hin bhar paunga.. Kripya btaye.
ReplyDeleteAap centrail govt sc/st formet m banwyenge tab hi sabhi form apply kr payenge and attch formet our this group
DeleteIs tarah ke comments dekh kar mujhe bahut hi confusion ho jata hai.. Pata nahi kya sahi hai... Yaa tto mujhe hi kuch pata nahi hai yaa tto log pura baat sahi se Explain nahi kar rahe hain ish Forum pe...
DeleteAJAY sir main apke point se Agree karta hun ki agar Central Gov/PSU me ST se Apply karna hai tto Central Gov ka format jaruri hai. Par ek baat main yahan puchhna chahta hun sabhi logo se ki kya aisa hota hai ki 2 type ka certificate Bihar Gov deti hai ek State Gov Job/Addmission ke liye aur dusara Central Gov/PSU ke Job/Addmission ke liye
Mere samajh se aise nahi ho sakta.. SC/ST/OBC[Caste] Certificate sirf State Gov issue karti hai..Central Gov koi bhi aisa Certificate nahi deti... OBC ke case me kuch log ishiliye confuse hote hain kyun ki Central Gov ne Commission banaya hai NCBC[National Commission for Backward Classes](http://www.ncbc.nic.in/Home.aspx?ReturnUrl=%2f)jo OBC ke list ko Manage karti hai.. Aur ye OBC ka list bhi State Gov hi NCBC ko deti hai.. means NCBC bas management(regarding OBC list) ka kaam karti hai aur kuch nahi..Certificate sirf aur sirf State Gov deti hai..
Ye certificate me SC/ST/OBC ka woh kanoon ke bare me likha hota hai jiske tahat apko SC/ST/OBC bataya jata hai..Jaise humhare Case me Lohar[SC/ST list me 22 number pe hai](Actually English me Lohara likha hua hai sabhi jagah par Certificate Hindi me milta hai aur usme Lohar(Hindi me) likha hota hai) ko aadesh 1950 Modification 1956 aur Modification 1976(Maine detail me kanoon ke bare me yahan nahi likha hai) ke tahat Bihar Gov ST certificate de rahi hai.. ishiliye 2 type ka certificate ka koi matlab hi nahi hai... Jis kanoon(matlab jab jab list ko change kiya gaya hai) se aap SC/ST/OBC hai woh kanoon likha hota hai..
kuch log ishiliye bhi confuse ho jate hain ki sara Central Gov/PSU ka Exam Notification me Format English me diya hota hai par State Gov apne Language me Certificate deti hai..India me koi Language National Language nahi hai..Sare State apna Official Language rakhe hain jaise Bihar ka Hindi, Karnataka ka Kanada, Tamil Nadu ka Tamil.. chuki SC/ST/OBC Certificate State Gov deti hai ishiliye woh apne Official Language me deti hai(Bihar ke case me Hindi, Bas Candidate ka naam aur uske pita ka naam Official Language of State(Hindi in Bihar) aur English dono me hota hai taki koi Conflict naa ho)..
SC/ST/OBC certificate me Application number, Certificate number, Date aur Left side end me Bar Code bhi hota hai jo Computer generated hai..
Computer Generated Certificate me tto Format ek hi hoga taki State Gov achha se details Manage kar sake...Ye koi Shaadi ka Card thora hai ki jo Design pasand aya woh chhapwa liye..Maine apna ST Certificate Online Apply(Lok Sevao ka Adhikar[http://210.212.23.57/online/]) karke banwaya hai aur Online me sirf Hindi me Form bhara jata hai aur Certificate bhi Hindi me milta hai(Maine apna Certificate District Magistrate Office me dekar Sign aur Stamp bhi lagwa liye hain[DM highest Authority hota hai SC/ST/OBC certificate ko Sign karne ka]), Mera Lalganj Block hai aur mere gaon se jo log Offline Apply karke Lalganj Block se banwaye hain unka bhi same format hai Hindi me..Kuch log upar comment kiye hain ki English me Certificate banwao woh jo mujhe ajeeb hi lagta hai Online Apply karne ka tto koi aisa Option nahi hai aur jo log Offline banwaye hain unse bhi maine puchha hai unka bhi same format Hindi me hai jaise mera hai..Pata nahi kaun log hai jinke paas English me Certificate hai..
Ye sab maine apni Samajh aur Jaankari se likha hai..Fir bhi agar koi aisa hai jiske paas 2 type ka Certificate hai ek State Gov Job ke liye aur dusara Central Gov Job ke liye yaa kisi ke paas English me Certificate hai tto Please comment karke bataye..
Hello,
DeleteTo know the difference between two type of certificate plz visit http://lohars.org/projects.html
Plz see in google write there Sc/st centrail govt format cast certificate all claer
DeleteTo all the lohar members please read these documents care fully....https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-TMOcLPMEqGZkRLT0ppSzBUcWs/view?usp=sharing
ReplyDeleteThanks for posting FAQ.
DeleteI have two doubts regarding ST certificate in Central Gov. format.
[ With reference to the Sample Certificate you have provided here https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-TMOcLPMEqGdlZzYmk3X18zdm8/view ]
1) 1st paragrapgh which is filled with your details and says LOHARA Tribe which is recognised as a Scheduled Tribe under. After this line it has list of Presidential Order.
And if you see instructions in Format form https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-TMOcLPMEqGNGVpR0VWeWUzMU0/view
it asks to quote specific Presidential Order(see after 3rd paragrapgh but before Note).
But in your sample certificate all the Presidential Orders are listed. What I understood from the instructions, it asks to list only those Presidential Orders by which Orders LOHARA tribe is included in SC/ST list OR mark those Presidential Orders from the list provided which indicate by which Orders LOHARA tribe is included in SC/ST list.
2) If you see instructions in Format form https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-TMOcLPMEqGNGVpR0VWeWUzMU0/view
2nd paragrapgh is optional and only applicable if you have migrated from Bihar state to some other state and instructions ask to delete the 2nd paragrapgh if not applicable(see after 3rd paragrapgh but before Note(% symbol is missing before start of 2nd paragrapgh in your sample format form but you will find in any Central Gov. job notification where this format is provided))
But in your sample certificate 2nd paragrapgh is filled with details. If you come under migrated case then it is fine otherwise I don't think you should fill this paragrapgh.
And one more thing 2nd paragrapgh in your sample certificatelokks a bit confusing. Just asking out of curiosity what you have filled in first four blanks in 2nd paragrapgh.
2nd paragrapgh says "This certificate is issued on the basis of the Scheduled Tribe certificate issued to Shri/Shrimati {First Blank} father/mother {Second Blank} of Shri/Srimati/Kumari {Third Blank} of Village/Town {Forth Blank} in....."
In First Blank - Your Father name should be filled
In Second Blank - This Blank should not be there. If you see any banking and insurance exam notification in their format this blank is not there and it doesn't make sense also.
In Third Blank - Your/Candidate name should be filled
In Forth Blank - Village/Town name
What I understand is 2nd paragrapgh is optional and only filled if you fall under migrated case and it provides details of your parent SC/ST certificate which proves that you are SC/ST because child of SC/ST is SC/ST.(please see Format form in any banking and insurance notification)
Waiting for your reply and Thank you once again for providing FAQ in detail.
thanks for reading my post the mentioned certificate is not mine and i feel like if in your case some sections of certificate is not applicable just do not fill in your form.....but make sure u fill caste as LOHARA only...to avoid problems during interview and document verification because the document verifying authority keep a old copy of caste list which is only in english....
Deleteanyone lohar bhai who has avail benefits of ST status using ST caste cetificate issued by bihar gov in central goverment formate and have secured job in central gov body or admission in central institutions pls add yourself in the whatsapp group by following link.....the porpose of making this group is to help the new joinies in job in central gov if any problem arises in future.....https://chat.whatsapp.com/AVDUf4HdLBnLrfcUUJE5XU
Deletei know that so many lohar bhai have secured central gov job using st certificate so,pls connect to this group and help others to get jobs in central gov because if any problem arises in future the only thing which can save us is our number the more no of people in central gov job the safer we become....i have no intentions to scare u but to make u feel realise the power of unity.
DeleteHi everybody, I am from Bihar and working in Central Govt. Department in Punjab. Recently, I come to know that some of the student of Lohar Community appeared in SSC Skill Test; on the centre he has submitted caste certificate (ST), but SSC personnel remarked on the certificate as provisional. Is there any such issue going on? Is the decision pending or to be taken by recruiting agency? Please update.
ReplyDeleteWhen you say "but SSC personnel remarked on the certificate as provisional" What exactly the reason for such remark ? I want to know what SCC personnel told to candidate while marking his certificate provisional ? "Is it invalid" OR "Unacceptable" OR "any format issue". Now I am worried after reading this comment because Bihar State Gov giving ST certificate but NOT accepted by SSC which a central organization then it is a Serious Issue.
DeleteI found this pdf on internet, Please have a look..
ciconline.nic.in/cicapp/files/upload_decision/165278.pdf
[Some points from newspaper]
"The case pertains to an RTI applicant who had approached the Tribal Affairs ministry for details of the Bihar government's proposal to include the community in the state's ST list."
"The Central Information Commission (CIC) has directed the office of Bihar Chief Minister Nitish Kumar to disclose whether it intends to bring the "Lohar" community in the list of scheduled tribes."
http://www.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/disclose-your-stand-on-including-lohars-in-st-list-cic-to-117102301139_1.html
Yes this issue is true but it is limited to only allahabad center....other ssc centers have no problem in accepting lohara st certificate....pls post your no. So that we can talk.have u secured job using lohara st caste certificate...mola reply....
ReplyDeletecan anyone provide me a newspaper cutting where it should be mentioned that our caste is included in the ST category or if anyone provide me a verdict/ case no. of supreme court of India. actually my university is demanding proof as supreme court verdict. thanks- whatsapp- 9859449432
ReplyDeletetheir is no need to provide any proof to your university...just submit your caste certificate in central government format clearly written LOHARA on it in English formate....they will definitly accept....their r so many students who r studying in IITs/NITs/IIMs/AIIMS on these certificate and so many are doing job on these certificate in central government..... anyway which university u r studying in ?
Deletebut they write LOHARA(लोहार) as in certificate any problem
DeleteBrijesh Sharma
ReplyDeleteBikramganj, Rohtas, circle officer can not issue st certificate for central govt. He is saying that Lohar caste can not add in central list. Please help me.
kitane mahan hai sub log ki caste ke reservation pe lad rahe hai , are ache se education lekar acha kariye, hm vishwakarma brahman hai janam se SC/ST/OBC kyo kiye hai, General me aye sb
ReplyDeleteAgar LOHARA cast se crtifictece banate hai to central me valid hoga ya reject hoga?
ReplyDeleteHey I am really confused.... Because some say lohar are obcs and lohra and loharas are st please clarify... In both Hindi and English scripts... I am really confused....and are Vishwakarma are lohar or lohara or lohra....
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