Thursday, November 25, 2010

Who are Lohar, Lohara, Lohra

Hi

Who are "Lohar" "Lohara"  "Lohra" in Bihar.

Regards,
Pradeep L Thakur
http://www.lohars.org

75 comments:

  1. Dear Pradeep jee
    I read your comment on lohara and lohar.
    I am one of the person who was involved in the sup. court case. I have visited all over Bihar and jharkhand in this regard. Please don't confuse, there is no any caste exhistance named LOHARA and now it is proved by the servey of A.N.Sinha Institute of social science, Gandhi maidan, Patna.
    The institute has submitted a report to Govt of Bihar that Lohar should be provided the status of ST.

    Thanks
    Arun Sharma
    09304337520
    www.egshadi.in

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    1. Dear Arun G

      nice to meet u Im OM SHARMA From Jabalpur (M.P) Ara Bihar

      kya ye Rules yaha Madhya Pradesh mai Lagu hoga ya nhi......

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  2. Arun jee

    Its Great News!!!!!!!!!

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  3. some claim that lohar are brahman and some weep for not being considered as st/sc first decided whether you are brahmn or st/sc. both the things cannot go altogether.

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  4. I am a lohar from bihar doing Govt. job in delhi. I am happy to see this site uniting lohar. In bihar lohar is considered as obc however bihar before partition was a part of Bangal presidency consisting of West Bangal, Orrisa & Bihar further bihar broke into Bihar & Jharkhand. In all the states which had been part of Bangal Presidency lohar is either sc or st but due to lack of genuine efforts of Bihari lohar they are obc. all the bihari lohar with the help of W.B., Orrisa & Jharkhnad fight for st status. if my help is required i am ready to do my level best. satya

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    1. How u can help in this matter,
      please talk to me
      on my mob no.09304337520

      Arun kumar sharma
      Trade centar
      shanti ashram mandir
      Budhmarg, Patna-800001

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  5. pradeep ji, why u did not convince the court that it is practice of bihari people to call certain names as lohar pronounced as lohara/loharba, further teli as telia, chamar as chamarba etc. it is the speaking language of bihar. Further general names Amar is pronounced as Amarba. If a person needs black smith work, and asks someone where this will be done certainly he will tell go to lohara(lohar. As far as i know bihari lohar has lost case in supreme court due to lack of iniatives, lack of money and proper enough knowledge. go ahead even now. I am with you. satya, delhi

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  6. Hi,

    1. Mythological assumption is Lohars are brahman however not engaged in "Vedik Karma" and as time passes they are considered as OBC, ST and EBC in different states and are provided some benefits to uplift thier status.

    Brahmin is Mythological Status and OBC / ST / EBC is social status, we may say.

    2. Honestly, i am not very much with the reservation policy. Instead of fighting for reservation we should concentrate more on education , education and good education.

    And if we are given ST status, its benefical also:-)

    Regards,
    Pradeep Lal
    http://www.lohars.org

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    1. sir, lohars living in villages are lagging far behind educationally,sociologically & economically. without reservation, they can not uplift themself & come par with people like your thinking. by the way, its our constitutional right & not a beg & we should have it.we lost our fight bcoz of lack of unity and i am sorry to comment bcoz of people like your caliber & thinking .you r right the views you have taken but dont u feel that its your rasponsibility to for the upliftment of our community and the nation

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  7. the role of reservation is also to uplift the education level of a particular caste like fee concession, reserved seats for admission in Medical, engg & other higher education drive further reserved seat in Govt. jobs both in centre and in state. even for govt. employed persons benefits in promotion combining these all benefits it becomes a power that automaticallly pushes the caste in to a powerful and developed one. above all it is the legitimate rights of bihari lohars to be considered as st/sc. the opposition party in bihar also supporting the same like Sh. Ram vilas paswan the same is required to be brought into the notice of Bihar govt. The bihari lohars are required to be united to meeting/rally in Patna to show number and grievance to Govt. and encash it during election.

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  8. Dear Friends,
    I would like todraw your attention that the honourable Supreme Court of India has dismissed the claim for ST status to Bihari Lohars. I would like to say to every lohar bhai that we should strive for the status of SC in India.In some states like Himachal Pradesh and West Bengal , our caste has been given status of SC.Our caste is backward now.We should strive together by continous dialogue with Samaj Kalyan Mantralay India to get that sc status.
    Please communicate with me on my Email Id - bns3698@gmail.com

    Brahma Nand Sharma

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  9. Dear All,

    Politicians will get everything to represent LOHARs. But LOHAR will not get anything except humiliation.

    As per Rig Veda they are Brahmin (Shilpi Brahmin/Panchal/Jingra/Vishwakarma) but After Vaidik Yuga they are marginalised in hindus and deserved ST/SC status looking at current(last 200 hundred years or more) social and economic conditions. Thats the reason other castes of Bihar/Jharkhand call/write them LOHARA.

    But, Indian politics always favours the caste, who have more population for vote bank. for example... Jaat of UP & Rajsthan grabed OBC status, Gujjars of Rajsthan grabed ST status, muslims grabed 5 % reservation etc.........

    You will not get anything except humiliation.Please concentrate on business, money, capital resources, education and authorities. You will get everything without reservation because you have talent.

    Regards

    Eye Opener

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  10. Most the kings who ruled India were from SC/ST.
    Caste was never fixed in India. Lowest man could be kind while the highest one could become lowest one. Infact Loharis were brave kshatriaya.
    It was of the mindless and fanatic Islamic invasion did they were decimated and chased away.
    Don't worry brothers, we all Hindus and children of Bharat mata.
    She will save as all.

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  11. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - The Pakistani city of Lahore was once called Loharpur, the city of the Lohar dynasty.

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  12. Supreme Court Judgement in case of Nityanand Sharma Vers state of Bihar CITATION 1996 SCC(3)576 JT 1996(2) 117 1996 SCALE (1) 743 OF dated 02-02-1996 need to challenged.Supreme court have given the ordered that Lohar are OBCs according to Govt notification & community wanted to wear the mask of ST to get the benefit meant for poor tribe.

    New point to challenge the order -(1)Vide notification No.A./T.3043/61-5423-R.dated 23rd June.1962 under section(46) of C.N.T. Act which was published at page 971 (partII) of Bihar Gazette dated !8.07.1962 Lohar cast is not included in the List of Backward Class.
    Because of this lands of Lohar have become transferable & not protected under Chotanagpur Tenancy Act Section 46 (b)in Jharkhand.
    It shows that since Lohar was belived as Lohara & Lohra it was not included the List of Backward Class.

    This can be new point to raise the question again . You can contact me Mobile no - 9431334005

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  13. Now i am getting information dat govt.of jharkhand has sent letters to BDOs about inclusion of 'lohar' in ST category. . .and many have got st certificates in giridih district . . . Is dis right?. . Clear dis confusion if any of u r up to date about dis information

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  14. Friends,
    The SC/ST list enacted by the Parliament listed LOHARA in English and Lohar in Hindi. Many a times, High Court/Supreme Court has passed judgement that Lohar is ST but finally in Feb 1996 (in Nityanand Case), the Supreme Court said that Lohar is OBC, which was challanged later in the Supreme Court. During that time, Supreme Court in its daily order has passed an order that incase Union of India feels that Lohar is not ST, the ST list may be amended through Paliament. In the subsequent hearing, Union of India could not produce amended list from the Parliament and the Supreme Court passed order that Lohar is not ST. After about a year of this order, central Govt. tabled a bill in the parliament replacing LOHAR in Hindi as LOHARA in 2006.
    My question is that when Supreme Court had passed an order it must have become law, then why it was later duplicated through an amendment made through Parliament? Does it not indicate that Central Govt. accepted themselves that Supreme Court's declaration was not constitutionally right and it required enactment through parliament. Lohar community lost its constitutional right of ST slowly & slowly and finally in 2006.
    Yet there is hope since A N Sinha Institute, Patna, in its district wise survey report carried out by Bihar Govt., clearly concludes that there is no tribe called LOHARA in Bihar. LOHARA in nothing but LOHAR and they are same and thus Lohar is ST. Now it is up to we Lohar community that how united and sincerely we pursue and regain our constitutional right of ST.

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    1. Sir hame bataiye ki lohar caste ko central government st me manyata dega please sir jaldi bataiyega

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  15. hi i am ajay lohra in jhakhand govt has ammendment letter no355 dt 19.01.2006 there have same amendment letter but in gumla block has not given proper cast certificate as per central govt required
    this is very big problem ago since lohar lohara lohra all is loha worker and all is same
    but my qustion lohar is some place has SC some Place OBC and Somnow all place ST why? we all belongs in INDIA
    ok please reply why not issue cast certificate in central gov SC/ST formet directly by block
    level now all central govt requrment prescribe forment .
    and one thing govt of jharkhand and others place requried land record of 1932 brothrs GARIB ADMI KE PAAS KHANE KA PAISA NAHI THA USEE RECORD KAHA SE MILEGA AUR JO THA USEE JAMINDAR LOOT LIYE AAB GOVT USEE OBC BANA KAR ATAMHATYA KE LIYE UKSA RAHA HAI
    BHAI I HAVE MORE PROBLEM IN ENGLISH WRITING SO PLS coorrection and rply

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    1. i want to talk with you pls contact me on this no 08882351088

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  16. Hi Ajay, Can you please let me know your mobile number so that we can have a talk

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  17. लोहार और लोहरा, लोहारा में कया अंतर है?

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  18. क्या लोहार जाति अनुसुचित जनजाति है ? तरह तरह की खबर मीडिया मे आती रहती है. आखीर सच क्या है ?

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  19. क्या लोहार जाति अनुसुचित जनजाति है ? तरह तरह की खबर मीडिया मे आती रहती है. आखीर सच क्या है ?

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  20. Rule/ Law in democratic Republic countryf. Article 342 ( 1 ) of the constitution deals and defines ST; list of ST amended by Central Government Act No 108 of 1976; SC & ST Order Amnd Act; Section 4; Second Shedule; Part 3 - Bihar : Entry 22 specifies " Lohar " as ST Class in the authorised version of the st list co-read with The presidential Notification dated 29 Nov 1979. - Law of the land.

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    1. What happen to all vishwakarma they r just running for grabbing reservation quote
      Please donot let our image down
      Vedas has describe as one categories of bhramin
      Then please all those vishwakarma who r not good for anything please do any thing to uplift ur status nd please because of ur incapabilities donot make all the lohar in st ur sc categories because we donot need reservation and people who belong to the lohar communities who r not done any thing far behind for. Betterment don't have right to add all well educated lohar to group of st or sc ...please

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  21. 'Lohar' community of Bihar & jharkhand comes under ST category notified under the Act 108 of 1976; SC & ST Order Amnd Act 1976. The law applicable.

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  22. In Supreme Court in Shambhoo Nath vs. UOI (CA No. 4631 dated 12.9.1990) decides the question and approves Lohar as ST. Again in Nityanand Sharma V. State of Bihar ( CA no 2688 dated 2.2.1996) Supreme Court holds Lohara as ST in place of Lohar. Lohara is neither available nor notified in the list of Hindi version in the Act 1976. The matter requires to place before Hon'ble Supreme Court to review. All of Lohar members now be United to have rights and dignity.

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  23. Sabse top par mere comment padh le.Aab ja kar Bihar Govt ne Govt of India ko LOHAR ko ST dene ke liye recomendation bheja hai Cabinet diss. no.547 dt 23june 2015 wait for at least one year.

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  24. Hi,
    I want to know what is the current status of Bihari Lohar as in recent cheif secretary of Bihar has given statement and it got pibloshed in newspaper that Lohar has been included in ST in Bihar. We really need to be more united.

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  25. i heard that all the bihari lohar are going to be included in the st category. is it true freinds/

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  28. what is the latest news on lohar issue.

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  29. We can't apply anywhere till circular issued by central govt

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  30. 8-8-2016 को बिहार सरकार ने लोहार(LOHARA) को अनुसुचित जनजाति का दर्जा दे दिया है,लेकिन जाति प्रमाण पत्र बनाने वाले वेब्साईट पर अभी भी लोहारा ही है. दो तीन दिन मे ठीक हो जायगा.बिहार सरकार मे SDO केन्द्र सरकार मे DM का प्रमाण पत्र चाहिये http://210.212.23.57/online
    अरुण शर्मा,
    पटना
    9304337520

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    1. Sir Kb tak upload ho jayega,koi current information

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  31. As you know Bihar Government has already issued a notification to issue cast certificate and provide related benefits and its on process to modify the list on RTPS. Please wait for some time.

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  32. Abhi aur kitna time lagega RTPS list update hone me????? Exams ke closing date nazdeek aa gaye hain. Which category do i apply in??? ST or OBC??? I'm totally confused. Saal waste ho jayega otherwise.
    Please help. I'm here to make any contribution to mobilise and unify views and demands of our lohar community.

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  33. kya agar lohar ko st k under rakha gaya hai to wo ibps form st se fill kar skta hai 7870987794

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  34. Is month tk banne lagega? Lohar vikash manch se khabar aaie thi ki bhale hi st me include kr dia h bt ye kam jldi ho jata h lohar ke case me itna time lag raha h. Block me puchne pe koi jawab ni aata h na hi DM ish pe kuch v bolne ko tayar h ye sirf time brbad kr mamla sant krne ka kosis kr rahe h

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  36. Any info reagardin update on rtps how mutch time we will wait .

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  37. Please have patience.It may take some time but good news will come soon.

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  38. As of now put put the category as EBC for Bihar Government Job/admissions and OBC for Center Government Job and admissions

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  39. आज पत्राक 12054/05-09-2016 द्वारा बिहार मे अत्यत पिछडा जाति क्रमाक 115 से लोहार विलोपित(हटाने) का आदेश जारी हो गया. कल से अनुसुचित जनजाति का प्रमाण पत्र बन सकेगा. अरूण शर्मा, पटना 9304337520

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  40. अब आप प्रमाण पत्र बना सकते है.अपने ब्लाक आफिस मे आवेदन दे. आनलाईन भी एक दो दिन मे चालू हो जाएगा.
    अरुण शर्मा
    9304337520

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  41. Pradip jee thank U so much for a service to our लोहार samaj for providing social information platform
    अरूण शर्मा, पटना 9304337520

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  42. Hello,

    Now RTPS has been modified and people can apply for ST cast certificate

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    1. can this certificate be applicable for national level exam.....can we fill category as ST in filling form such as CAT

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  43. SIR,
    I AM A EMPLOYEE OF CENTRAL GOVT. PLEASE TELL AFTER CENTER GOVT DECLAR LOAHR AS ST AFTREWORD THAN WHETHER MY SERVICE CATEGORY WILL CHANGE TO ST IN PLACE OF OBC TO GET THE ST BENEFIT.

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  44. It's a very good news .thanks a lot to all who have given their most valueble time and contribution to make thes changes.

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  45. Sir , can this certificate will be applicable for central govt job. As in central list lohar is still there in obc list. please suggest.

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  46. HOW CAN I GET BENEFIT OF ST BEING ALREADY EMPLOYED WITH GOVERNMENT SERVICE AS OBC CANDIDATE

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  47. While applying the certificate mobile otp doesn't cumin still its needs to update

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    1. Yes,thats a problem at the time of applying OTP is not coming.so take necessary steps to solve this problem as early as possible.

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  48. can this certificate is applicable for national entrance such as CAT ????

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  49. TO
    THANKS YOU
    ARUN SIR
    MY FILLUP FORM RRC HUBLI JOB BEFOR OBC CANDIDATE BUT ACCEPT CERTIFICAT ST/OBC

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  50. Hii,
    my name is neeraj sharma, my caste is lohar but i have no caste certificate coz jab mai OBC certificate k liye gazetted officer k pass gya signature k lye usne mnna kr diya coz sharma OBC category ka certificate nhi ban skta, kya shi bat h?? plzz tell me

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    1. Although My name is manish kumar sharma i got my caste certificate as obc coz my dad's certificate was formed. If ur father has a caste certificate then u can show it to them they'll definitely form it.

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  51. Lohar cast has been included in ST category. but till now neither in Bihar nor Jharkhand cast certificate are being issued. I request all our cast to get your certificate and your kids to take maximum benefits. However till there is doubt that in Jharkahnd lohar cast certificate of ST will be issued or not as Bihar government has issued the certificate but there is no notification in Jharkhand. I have cast certificate of OBC at Hazaribag when it was undivided it was issued by than Bihar Government. How i shall get ST certificate as I live away in a job for very long time. I need for my daughters. Please guide. Thanks

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  52. Dear sir, now Bihar gov deleted lohar from obc list, but till now central list show lohar in obc.we have to put effort to make change in central obc list.
    Om prakash,7631791505

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  53. has anyone got his certificate as st?

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  54. as St status has been provided to lohar in bihar I would like to know that is it beneficial in central govt jobs or in jharkhand? ????

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  55. WE NEED CLEARANCE TO SUBMIT FORM WHAT SHOULD WE SELECT GEN OBC ST OR SC????

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  56. Any one got the st certificate?what should we select the catagory for central govt job,please clearyfy this.

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  57. I am JE in BSNL at Patna I want to appear in next Exam for promotion. ST benefit may be got since BSNL under central government.

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  59. State govt not declare lohar as st..it declare lohara caste as st...so please correct the new spelling of lohar caste as lohara.

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  60. Hi, above all comments are really very helpful for me,
    i am Ganauri Vishwakarma from Lohar community palamau district of jharkhand.
    actually my grandfather tittle was lohar, while my father tittle is mistre and my tittle is vishwakarma. by and large i want to ask that i am from lohar community, ok. do i belong to ST category in palamau district of jharkhand or OBC? i really very need to know.

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  61. HI,
    I belong to lohar caste in bihar and i have the st certificate provided by bihar government. I got the certificate form block but when i went to the dm office for upgradint it in the formate of central government for jobs in central government then they said that although bihar government has included lohar caste in st but the central government has not given them right to be in st caste. They said that they can make a obc certificate of lohar caste as they are in obc in central list.
    I said them that i have been slected in the central level exam only i need the st certificate in the formate provided by central in eng then they replied that i cannot get the job of central government as we are in obc in central list and they agree to make a obc certificate of lohar caste in the formate of central government
    , guys our caste is still in obc in central

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  62. I m a lohar from bihar but now there is no land in the name of my grandfather and I m aatelled in bangalore so I have a quotation that can I get a cast certificate for my son and doughter please confirm me any body my contact no. is 08867520010

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  63. hi,
    i have some idea about lohar st status in bihar and central government job. after independence government make many list of st for include or delete many caste from different st list. 1976 st list (lohara,lohra लोहार) included in list. dear friends dont confuse yourself for central job on st quota.issue of caste certificate authority is state government and gov issuing certificate on the basis of 1976 st act passes by parliament and signed by president. and about obc list
    at centre ,just forget the list we are now IN English -lohara/lohra and in Hindi लोहार.
    from
    om prakash
    hajipur vaishali 7631791505
    opmanee@gmail.com

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  64. Anuj kumar sharmaApril 30, 2017 at 1:11 AM

    Hello friends,
    It’s really nice to see such effort by our community people for their caste recognition.
    I am ANUJ KUMAR SHARMA, 2nd Year M.TECH student at NIT Durgapur. I belong to lohara/lohra/lohar caste in bihar.my permanent resident is Siwan,bihar. presently resident in Ranchi,jharkhand. I was randomly googling and luckily found the blog page.
    During my life so far i haven’t received a single rupee as scholarship. After completion of graduation by Engineering in June, 2015.
    I always dreamed of studying in best institutions of India like like IITs/NITs. But after knowing our caste (OBC) and the ongoing competitive situation in every field somewhere i got dis-motivated and depressed by the situation. I realized of this situation in year 2014 During my 6th and 7th semester.so, i started studying a lot for a National level exam called GATE (graduate aptitude test in engineering) and finally i cleared it with AIR (all India rank) 6288 and my Score was 602 in GATE 2015.Now it was the time to apply to IITs/NITs, so many of my friend those who were having a lower score got admission into best IITs because of their Caste (SC/ST). On that time i felt very bad about myself and especially about my caste. Somehow, i finally managed to get admission in a Lower NIT for master. During my Masters in NIT there are also so many challenges i am facing. Being a GATE qualified candidate MHRD offers every candidate a scholarship of 12400 INR/month. My Semester fee in NIT is 43000 INR/semester. and my Friends Those who are from SC/ST they pay fee of 6600 INR/semester. I really don't understand this discrimination with GEN/OBC candidates in terms of high admission marks and very high fee. All we used to receive same amount of scholarship, when the scholarship is credited to our accounts we need to count it and save it for next semester fee but my fellow friends used to go to shopping in branded shops, go for movies, trip’s to simla and manali but at the same time i used to seat and study in for the whole day, because if i have to get admission in Best IIT for PHD my CGPA(marks) and journal publication should be high because i have to fight competition. After knowing that our caste has been changed from OBC to ST, I am little happy that now to i have to fight among a small group of people, but also don't forget the type of discrimination professors do with their SC/ST category candidates.
    Now let's talk about lohara/lohra/lohar caste in Bihar, i only know this much that our caste has been listed in Bihar as well as central government in ST and we can get certificates form the concerned authority in your district like CO/SDO etc.
    If we talk about listing of caste in state government list you can go check the tribal site of government of India as
    http://www.tribal.nic.in/Content/StatewiseListofScheduledTribesProfiles.aspx
    in list of Bihar our caste is at no. 22
    and on more link http://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/ceptam/download/STlist.pdf
    which is a central government list. Don't forget to get your certificate as soon as possible for maximum benefits and also for development of our community. For clarification in Hindi our community writes Lohar which is correct but in English it is written as LOHARA so please get your certificate with English name only.
    Our caste is mentioned in state and central government list in ST in English name LOHARA.I know i can help my community in my scope of knowledge only everything above said is according to my knowledge. Thank you so much for your time; stay connected because united is our strength.
    For any query you can contact me at
    anjkmrnitdgp@gmail.com

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  65. hello friends i am manish and found this site lohar.org very helpful but as there is many confusions regarding caste certificate there is a whatsapp group where all of us can find solution and discuss easily its a request to the bloger please don't delete this post because if people can have a easy communication through whatsapp then it would be very useful for us

    for those who are not a member of that group can whatsapp on 8409609702

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