Hi,
One interesting query came in my mind, can there be marriage between Brahmins and vishwakarmas as per hindu rule, obviously our Indian Law allows it :-)
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No.Since they are lower then us.
ReplyDeletehow u can say u see the refrences that vishwkarma is vishwa brahmin
Deletedd u strongly belev in upanayana??am sure...u belev.thtz y u oppose the caste as lower.bt please note tht the father of the so called lower. caste isvishwakarma,who s caterogzd under devagana.he too wwore
Deleted sacred thread.so d caste belongs to viswa bramin.ad whtz thr in upper-lower??the colour of blood r same...
Vishwakarma caste is coming under other backward class (OBC) in Kerala. However, it is true that some section of them; especially those involved in temple construction, god idol making etc. were performed upanayana for doing so. The sacred thread can be wear by anybody according to such demands. Hence Viswakarma can not be considered as true Brahmins. They were not considered equivalent to Brahmins in Kerala. In fact their social status in Kerala is far lower.
Deletevishwakarma is real brahmins by the berth. no need to for Upanayana.u think about the old age there was only on civilization that sculpture civilization.vishwakarmas made house,vessels,god,ornaments,tools.they made avery things for human being and vishwakarma is sun of god brahma. brahmins worship god which made by vishwakarma.if they do not create any ideal where they will do worship.why they (high socity) push vishwakarma to low cast sction because they afraid the truth and vishwakarmas serve for king as well as slave in same maner. they were the first engineers in this world.
Deleteadi sankara was born in a vishwkarma and namboothri family don't you know that ...take the sankara charitham and read...
DeleteWhoever has arguing about the Viswakarma belongs to OBC are stupid to do so, because the word OBC is the coining of the classification after Independence for reservation system. which has nothing to do with the vedic scriptures. The atrocities made by Kerala brahmins are very well know, They were Nazis in true terms. They were knowingly executing the millions of poor souls in Kerala including their own Antarjanams. Do not bring their Karmas into picture. The administrative class who were responsible for classification of Caste system were actually put a real threat to Hinduism by dividing people. So, in a nutshell anybody can marry anybody as we are anthropologically and genetically are not different. Besides if you take Vedas, Kerala Brahmins cannot be true brahmins as they are not actual practitioners of it.
DeleteVishwakarma ancestor's is the only true brahmin, why they under obc category that was done due to mistake of british goverment. They set the caste under the category on the base of occupation due to this reason Vishwakarma people have been under the obc category but in real they are real and true brahmin not others brahmin are true because Lord Vishwakarma is the son of god Brahma then how some stupid people can say that Vishwakarma people are lower only those people say this thing who doesn't know about the reality even in Madras in subba there was some conflict in between Vishwakarma people and pandit people that who is real and pure brahmin. There's also in court and village council Only Vishwakarma people were told real and true Brahmin not non Vishwakarma people.
Deletei have the same question
ReplyDeleteMy sister-in-law is Bishwakarma, married to a Brahmin caste man. They have a great marriage and beautiful family. I think the question is not one of "can" but "want." Anyone "can" marry whomever they "want." Ideology strongly effects any family, and will effect children. But true love transcends all caste boundaries, most important is that both people respect, absolutley respect each other.
ReplyDeleteI am American, coming from no caste, married into Bishwakarma caste. I can not see any difference between the people of our "caste" and Brahmins, Chhetris, or others. People are people; good and bad - that's all. However, for the sake of my small son, I have learned his family history. As an American child he can be proud of his last name, coming from God. He will NEVER be called "lower" than anyone.
Just love each other -- there is nothing else.
Hii all,This is really a good question.I am in the same situation.Please help me.
ReplyDeletecaste system should be abolished. i think it was founded with malacious intentions. why should anybody be treated better just on account of being from higher caste. many brahmins i've seen who eat non-veg and lead a shameless life. there is now nothing such found in these "so-called" brahmins for which they were respected in the past, neither values nor practices.
ReplyDeleteone should marry him/ her with whom one can live happily.
well said....
ReplyDeletelohar belongs to ?
ReplyDelete1.general
2.obc
3.ebc
4.sc/st
you can't predict position of caste under government reservation. As per Hindu Vedas is the base all Hindu.vishwakarma describes a caste of priests, engineers, architects, sculptors, temple builder and artists of india, The community is spread widely throughout India and played a vital role in the village economy.Vishwabrahmins acharya are divided into ... See more five gotras (or clans); each Rishi’s name is mentioned in the Yajurveda (4.3.3).100% Pure Brahmins.
DeleteLohar Panchals Mistri Dhiman Jangid .. are belongs to OBC ctegory in delhi..
Deletewell this is myth whether they are brahmins or not...
Being a vishwkarma.. i can say that.. we live like khastriya and originated from brahmin..
Vishvakarma is a OBC cast not lower cast ok india mein uneducated ki kami nhi .
DeleteVishvakarma ki meaning pata aap sab ko abhi toh yeh bhi nhi pata hoga ki panchal brahmin kaun the aur kahte hn vishvakarma lower cast hn
Vishwakarma is a brahmin caste.because my great grandfather wear jeanue
Delete.Around 1814 in AP Chittor zilla in chaturpedi village, Brahmins came for fight with Vishwabrahmins stating that they dont have right to do poojas.MARGA SAHAYA ACHARY is a vishwabrahmin priest who was perfoming pourohityam at a marraige. PANCHANGAM GUNDAIAH a brahmin priest came to that marraige ceremony stopped the marriage and a big fight happened between brahmins and vishwabrahmins. Then a panchayath was held where in Brahmins asked 63 questions in vedas to M.S.ACHARY. Achary answered all those questions and the mouths of arrogant brahmins were shut. The case then moved to chennai and chennai judge DAKER DORA after hearing brahmins and Vishwabrahmins and going through vedas given the verdict that Vishwabrahmins are none other than born brahmins and have equal right to do poojas, pranaprathishta and all sacred ritual things.
ReplyDeleteIt's true. I read in a book. VISHWABRAHMINS ARE GREATER THAN THE BRAHMINS.
DeleteIt's true. I read in a book. VISHWABRAHMINS ARE GREATER THAN THE BRAHMINS.
DeleteYess its true, without any doubt..
DeleteBrahmins are known only by there Sapta Rishi, but vishwakarma brahmins are sons of Lord vishwakarma and they are the main brahmins of all other brahmins.
ReplyDeletevishkarma is sc st cast they dont come in brahmin
Deletevishwakarma is a lower cast dose not come in brahmin community
DeleteIf the so called nambuthiri brahmins loose their economy ,wealth and knowledge to do purohitha karmmas in future,and thus become a lower caste ,will you call them brahmins.How a fisher mans generation can be a brahmin?.
DeleteCan you show any creative talents in them like what you see in vishwakarmma people ?
If creation is the karmma of brahmma ,all vishwakarmmas are brahmins since they are at the top of creative skills,there is no doubt and there were alot of pure veda and sashthra scholars in vishwakarmma caste,pranava veda is an example for that.People who do only pooja can be called as only poojari and cannot not be called as brahmins.Namboothiri brahmins can be can be called as only karmma brahmins.
general, obc, ebc, sc/st was decide by government
Delete"How does a fisher mans generation can be a brahmin?" ..Vyasa is considered to be Namboothiri clan's guru and father. Vyasa is the half breed here. He was born to a Fisherwoman and a rishi. He manipulated Pranava Veda (in which everything was mentioned about creation, energy and vishwakarma) and amalgamated it into yajurveda. Vishwabrahmin's are pure brahmins in every way possible. I am a Namboothiri from Kannur (kerala). I have a Phd in Yajur Veda: A critical analysis. I researched for 6 years. Please give Vishwabrahmins their rightful place. They are brahmins by birth. Without them there would be no temples for us to do the pooja karmas. The only mistake they are doing right now is that they have stopped learning vedas and have left wearing Poonul. Please know your value. If you don't understand your value how would we namboothiris or Tamil brahmins value you. Send your children to learn vedas. It will do them good.
Deletevishwakarma bhramin is only the lord who created the world
DeleteThe god Vishwakarma is considered by followers of the Hindu faith to be the divine architect or engineer of the universe. He had five children - Manu, Maya, Tvastar, Shilpi and Visvajna — and these are believed by the Vishwakarma community to have been the forebears of their five sub-groups, being respectively the gotras (clans) of blacksmiths, carpenters, bell metalworkers (metal casters), stonemasons and goldsmiths.[2] It is not known whether these five subgroups historically practiced endogamy, which is a frequently-found feature of the Indian caste system.
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” who is one of the five sons of the godVishwakarma. But this is an entirely wrong and baseless conception.Daivajnya Brahmins and Vishwakarma Brahmins belonged todifferent races, which have belonged to the Vedic period. DaivajnyaBrahmins purely belong to the Suryavanshi Aryan race that performed the yajnas and other ritual duties at the period of Rig-Veda, on the banks of the rivers Saraswati-Drishdawati which wascalled “Bramhavartha”, at the region of Punjab and Haryana of today and in the course of time some of those Aryans migrated tosouthward after following the river Saraswathi.Of course, there is no doubt that Vishwakarma Brahminsalso belonged to the Vedic period and they have their own heritageand culture of the ancient period. There is lot of descriptions of Virata Swaroopa (Mammoth feature) of the god Vishwakarma in thesacred books; rigveda, Nagarakhanda, Skanda purana, Matsya purana and in the epic Mahabharatha. In Taitiriya Shruthi PanchaBrahmopanishad regarding the Virata Swaroopa of the godVishwakarma is like this –“Vishwakarmana Vrittadhani/ TeneivanaPratishthani /Panchamukhebhyah Panchashirsho MANUPrathamah/MAYO Dwitiyah, TRISHTA Tritiyah, SHILPI
The brahmins like Madhavas, vaishnavas and Smarthas all act two smart as they are only brahmins in these world, but they have forgotten about there lord who have created these world, it is non other than vishwakarma Brahmins (i.e creator of these whole world).
ReplyDeleteYes,vishwakarma brahmins are born brahmins(sons of god) bt where as others are practised vedas,rituals and traditions from vishwakarma saints and later competed with vishwabrahmins and claiming themselvs as pure brahmins. . . . .
ReplyDeleteyou can't predict position of caste under government reservation. As per Hindu Vedas is the base all Hindu.vishwakarma describes a caste of priests, engineers, architects, sculptors, temple builder and artists of india, The community is spread widely throughout India and played a vital role in the village economy.Vishwabrahmins acharya are divided into ... See more five gotras (or clans); each Rishi’s name is mentioned in the Yajurveda (4.3.3).100% Pure Brahmins.
Deleteyou can't predict position of caste under government reservation. As per Hindu Vedas is the base all Hindu.vishwakarma describes a caste of priests, engineers, architects, sculptors, temple builder and artists of india, The community is spread widely throughout India and played a vital role in the village economy.Vishwabrahmins acharya are divided into ... See more five gotras (or clans); each Rishi’s name is mentioned in the Yajurveda (4.3.3).100% Pure Brahmins.
ReplyDeleteMy comment to all those who say that Vishwakarma Brahmins are lower to that of other brahmins is they donot accept the authority of vedas.
ReplyDeletevishwa karma's are the fist bamhins in the world .any one accept o not but fact is fact
Deletei think Lohar Caste is the one of the tribal community in many state of India.
ReplyDeleteyou all my friend...you must read Indian caste system and indigenous people of India. and also anthropological survey of Indian tribal.
As below rightly mentioned that Hinduism is an old religion in the world. And in that the Viswakarma people are disciplined and with a perfect principle. They don't bow before money and fame. They enjoy with the money what they earn. They don't loot and pillage others. They are blessed with the activity of creation and help others.
DeleteGood answer
Deletebefore the anthropogical survey our vedas born, even the survey refered all the vedas and then known the caste system, vishwabrahmins r also a subsection of present brahmins. ages ago some conflits happed between then , then with the help of ruler the present brahmins avoided vishwakaras as brahmins. Still needs lot of research, Before writing any thing.careful
ReplyDeleteActually Vishwakarma is a upper caste then Brahmin. If you marry brahmin girl or boy nothing wrong
ReplyDeletewell said bro t is 100% correct
DeleteVISHWAKARMA BRAHMINS DONOT MARRY WITH OTHER BRAHMINS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOW NOT PURE AS VISHWAKARMAS. THEY ALREADY MIXED UP WITH OTHER CASTE IN THE NAME OF SHORTAGE OF GIRLS .
ReplyDeleteBUT TODAY ALSO VISHWAKARMAS PERFORMING PURE CULTURE AND RITUALS. PLEASE DONOT LET OUR CASTE MIXING WITH OTHER CASTE. WE HAVE TO MAINTAINE OUR CULTURE SRICTLY ,, WE MUST GIVE THE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT OUR CULTURE TO YOUNGER GENERATION.
MAINLY WE DONT HAVE NEED TO MATRIMONIAL ALIANCE WITH OTHER CASTE BECAUSE THERE IS NO SHORTAGE OF GIRLS OR BOYS IN OUR CASTE.
A sensible writing. Viswakarmas has to believe ithemselves. We should be proud that we have given equal importance to karma and Janah by doing our5 types karma/duties to society and learning the 5 Vedas. Now it is time we regain our forgotten knowledge in Vedas.
Deleteviswakarma is upper caste. u can marry brahmin boy or girl
ReplyDeleteVishwakarma caste is coming under other backward class (OBC) in Kerala. However, it is true that some section of them; especially those involved in temple construction, god idol making etc. were performed upanayana for doing so. The sacred thread can be wear by anybody according to such demands. Hence Viswakarma can not be considered as true Brahmins. They were not considered equivalent to Brahmins in Kerala. In fact their social status in Kerala is far lower.
ReplyDeletei think raju has no correct knowledge abot vedas.if uread yajurveda u will be known what is written about vishwakarma it was written that vishwakarma's are original 100% real perfect bramhins.once read about that it will be better.
DeletePosition is determined always by kings or society. If they were poonul only for that purpose. Why nampoithiris didn't permit nair kings to wear poonul without hiranyagarfa but only viswakarmas and chettyars.why silpis were mentioned as noolans in sangha literature which means wearing thread .that means they use to wear poonul even before nampoori came here but was not landlords they just lived their own way
Deletevishwakarma never comes in brahmin community
ReplyDeleteTRY TO UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF BRAHMIN. MEANS BY BIRTH WE HAVE ARTISTIC KNOWLEDGE. BUT NAMBOOTHIRI SHOULD DO UPANAYANA AND GET KNOLEDGE (VEDAS AND SASTRAS). BUT AS YOU SAID OUR SOCIAL STATUS IS LOW IN YOUR MING. HOW DID THIS? THE BRAHMINS .VISHWAKARMA PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED IN TEMPLE CONSTRUCTION. IS IT A SIMPLE JOB. IT NEED A LOT OF TALANT EXPERIENCE,SHOULD BE AN ARTIST. FOR DOING A POOJA WHAT TALENT IS NEEDED. MOST OF THE PEOPLE DONT KNOW MANTHRAS. SO A POOJARI CAN DO ANY THING. BUT THE SO CALLED BRAHMINS, WHAT THEY ARE DOING? JUST SAYING SOME MANTHRAS AND MAKING TOO MUCH MONEY. I MARRIED A NAMBOOTHIRI GIRL. I KNOW WHAT HER FAMILY IS DOING. WITHOUT KNOWING VEDAS OR PROPER MANTHRAS THEY ARE CHEATING PEOPLE.
DeleteTRY TO UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY OF VISHWAKARMA PEOPLE.
I WANT SO REQUEST VISHWAKARMA PEOPLE "YOU ARE NOT SOCIALY BACKWARD. DON'T SPOIL YOUR TALENT. WE ARE THE BEST IN THE WORLD. BY BIRTH WE ARE BRAHMINS. THAT MEANS WE HAVE A TALENT BY BIRTH.
hi hw u say viswabhramins never comes to bhramins community...viswabhramins is the main bhramins community to others.
Deleteu kno onething Adi shakarar,sri ragavendrar is all r viswabhramins community,..viswa bhramins is also known as adhi bhramins....
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Deletebrother what u said is correct,i accept ur logic completely but according to vedas we comes under bramhins.
DeleteVishwakarma comes under lower caste status in kerala due to high authority Brahmins and their intercoursers Nairs. With their power they lowed down ViswaBhramins, but if you consider Karnataka, Gujarat and Maharashtra Viswakarma been considered as pure Upper caste.
ReplyDeleteIF A CASTE IS OBC MEANS THEY ARE ONLY ECNOMICALY BACK WORD NOT BACKWORD CASTE
DeleteYou can't predict the status of Hindu Caste under government reservation, Since the base of Hindus are Vedas.Vishwakarma or Dhiman (also known as Vishwabrahmin or Dhiman Brahmins) Are born Brahmins.
In general Brahmins are two types.
1. Poursheya Brahmin(Pancha Rishi's or Pancha Brahmam)
2. Aarsheya Brahmin(Sapta Rishi's or Sapta Brahmam)
Are Born Brahmins.According to Veda,No one can change it.
We vishwakarmas Don’t want any one’s certificate to prove Vishwakarmas are Brahmins since our base is Vedas.
Pancha Brahma, Virad vishwakarma, gayartri devi and vaastu sastra is the orgin of sanatana dharma.
Vishwakarma or Dhiman (also known as Vishwabrahmin or Dhiman Brahmins) Are born Brahmins.
Vishwakarma acharya are divided into five gotras (or clans); each Rishi's name is mentioned in the Yajurveda (4.3.3)
1.Sanaga (Son of Manu (Shiva))
2.Sanatana (Son of Maya (Vishnu))
3.Abhuvana (Son of Tvashtha (Brahma of four faces))
4.Pratanan (Son of Silpi (Indra))
5.Suparna (Son of Vishvajna (Surya))
These Rishi's were called as Pancha Rishi Brahmins or Pancha Brahmam From this 5 Face vishwakarmas generations are started.
100% Pure Brahmins as per vedas.
Nairs are economically forward than Vishwakarma at kerala But Only Sudra Status and they are not even at other state of india.The Vishwakarma community is spread widely throughout India and played a vital role in the village economy*****If we started Argue According to Heritage Even NAMBOOTHRI BRAHMINS won't come close to us at kerala....And Nairs are sudras Not even at other state of india.....And they dont have any basic ideology OR ORGIN of Hindus or Hindu Culture....THEY WERE THE CLOTHES WASHER OF BRAHMINS….....If the NSS(Nair Service society) says we are comes under general so we are forward...and OBC Means Backward.........MOST IMPORTANT WE VISHWAKARMAS ARE HINDUS NOT ANY NAIR OR SUDRA....AND HINDUS BASE IS VEDAS NOT PUBLIC SERVICE COMMOTION OR GOVERMENT RESERVATION MADE BY TRIBAL COMMUNIST OR ANY SUDRA....ACCODING TO VEDA WE VISHWAKARMAS ARE MOST PURE THAN PURE BRAHMINS ACCORDING TO VEDA.
Dear Kannan, I understand your pain in view of the present system of Kerala. But I believe that a strong Vishwakarma movement has already been started and future will see that Vishwakarams are respected!!
DeleteNow condemning other csate like Nairs seems out of place. Nairs have their own set of history. But to plant them as a sudra is not seen in good taste.
people of kerela dont knw about vedas.if they know crect meaning of vishwakarma means hen they only with their mouth will say that vishwakarma's are pure oiginal bramhins.true will be true forever bu we cant change vedas.if we rea eans we come t know what is what.
Deletein ap vishwakara's are equal as bramhins y means we know about vedas perfectly as than kerela.
DeleteADI SANKARAR IS A VISWAKARMA .
ReplyDeleteHis father was a Twashta Brhahmin and Brhamins have not participated in the last rituals of His mother.
DeleteHi All...
ReplyDeleteRead all ur comments....interesting! my surname too is Vishwakarma. I am just a human being. God created this beautiful world, did mistake by giving brain to humans. we divided god, man and everything on this planet to satisfy our own needs and greed based on religion, caste, creed and boundaries.
Love all and have faith in humanity. stand for what u believe in. if u really love someone then nothing should stop u. caring and respecting is what matters at the end of the day.
Hope someday all this fights on caste and religion will stop.
well said frnd v r humans and other than cast there are many more issues to v solved n should v paid attention which are much more important than this ...be human love human ....and plz stop dividing humanrace on cast basis...i m marwari girl and i love one boy who is viswakarma,but my parents are nt ready to accept him as their son in law...i just cant live without him but because of society problem cast problem no one is ready...our love has just become fun for them they are playing with my love...bt i vll keep loving him ...jab tak hai jaan..
DeleteThe cruelty of kerala brahmins to viswakarmas made them to think that they are inferior. But internet proved viswakarmas are the original brahmins.
ReplyDeleteVISHWAKARMA IS A REALLY 100% PURE BRAHMIN IN ADI KAAL IN VEDAS PROOF PUNCH BRAHMIN . BUT OUR SOCITY ARE CALLED OBC . VISHWAKARMA ARE BACK WARD IN ECONOMICALLY BUT CAST IS UPPER .
ReplyDeleteI like the concept about bishwakarma being 100% brahmin. Well done to you.
ReplyDeleteBut your concept bishwakarmas being economically backward is a fail because I know many Bishwakarmas who are millionaires.
I am not a Bishwakarma myself, I am actually a 'so called' 'Vasistha' brahmin but who really is there to verify this? We dont have DNA of Rishi Vasistha, so cant match it to prove that I am his descent..
Hence, Its a mystery. So this goes to all the Brahmins and perhaps all other caste people that they should shit out the concept of one being superior to other on the basis of surname and gotra and all that.
And rather focus on superiority on intellectual basis.
The good thing is not many people still think in that way, but for people who still do.....One day there will be a big incident - when a Brahmin will have an accident and would need blood and only that one Bishwakarma can help OR VICE VERSA (Bishwakarma have an accident and need blood from Brahmin), and they will forget all the dissimilarities between each other.
THERE NEEDS TO BE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT TO HAVE A BIG EFFECT!
We VISHWAKARMAS are Hindu,OUR BASE IS VEDAS,Not INTERNET,WIKI PEDIA,PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION(PSC).The word BRAHMIN came from the word BRAHMA,BRAHMA means substance which can create.And Load VISHWAKARMA is the creators according to vedas. Refer RUGVEDAS 10th chapter (Dasama Mandala) suktas 81-82 & 90 and(Yajurveda (4.3.3)).We are the FIRST BRAHMINS form BRAHMA.
ReplyDeleteIn general Brahmins are two types
1. Poursheya Brahmin (Pancha Rishi or Pancha Brahma)
2. Aarsheya Brahmin (Sapta Rishi or Sapta Brahma)
1. Poursheya Brahmin
Are the Brahmin from the ‘PURUSHA’ The RUGVEDAS 10th chapter (Dasama Mandala) suktas 81-82 & 90 and the lord VISWAKARMA is the purusha in Vedas. Rishi's name is SANAKA, SANATANA, ABHUVANASA, PRAJNASA, SUPARNASA(Yajurveda (4.3.3)) from these Rishi, Poursheya Brahmin generations are started. They are the Brahmins by BIRTH.The BRAHMINS from the MALE face of BRAHMA.
2. Aarsheya Brahmin
Are from Rishi. Rishi's name is VASISTHA, KASYAPA ,ANGIRA , BRUGHU, ATRI, VISWAMITRA, and AGASTYA, from these Rishi, Aarsheya Brahmin generations are started. They are 'Karma brahmins", they attain brahmanyam by KARMAS(Prayer of these Rishi's to the wife of load VISHWAKARMA,that is goddess GAYATRI DEVI).The BRAHMINS from the FEMALE face of BRAHMA.
Only the generations of PANCHA RISHI'S and SAPTA RISHI'S are called BRAHMINS OR BRAHMA GENERATIONS.We are first humans made by BRAHMA, WE ARE SECOND STEP AFTER GOD.
Note - BRAHMA IS VISHWAKARMA only. Rest of other peoples will NOT come under BRAHMIN OR BRAHMA under any instance.
not true Vishwa Brahmas mis spelt as vishwa brahmins.Observe the difference.Vishwa brahmas are the creators of the world and has following works for them.
DeleteThe community comprises five sub-groups—carpenters, blacksmiths, bell metalworkers, goldsmiths and stonemasons.
Well said..
ReplyDeleteIn Kerala, Viswakarmas are treated as OBCs and downtrodden communities. Brahmins do not consider them at all. But can anyone deny the truth that most temples in Kerala are consecrated by Adisankara, who is a Viswabrahmin himself. He was born in a bronzesmith family.
Caste system is something which should be abolished, but at the same time, we need to enjoy the lost powers and valour of our caste.
We are descendents of the creator, and engineers and wisemen by birth. Being a Viswakarma, I can understand what qualities we have over others.
In Kerala, the so called Nairs, claimed themselves as Kshathriyas, together with other brahmins have pushed us down. The Ezhavas, which originate from Srilanka, and who were slave warriors and laborers, had a recent communal uplift, pushing us still down.
Brahmins!! It's our born right. Purushabrahmins, means from the embodiment, which means the straight descendants. It's not a DNA test to prove, but it's as per the same vedas which you follow. Other so called brahmins are Arsheya, means they come from the followers or by practice.
It's like a follower/student taking rights away from the true hereditory heirs.
Arsheya brahmins - The job is to follow, and make others follow, so proceed with the same what you are now.
Purusha brahmins - We continue what we do, we keep creating, inventing, and live as engineers of the world.
Just this much - We are not lesser than anyone. We have our own rights, which we need to keep with us, and do not want to interfere with anyone.
I have a doubt i dont know about all these but many times my father has said to me that always vishwakarmas come before brahmins . My question is being a pure brahmin(vishwakarma)why people consume non veg? moreover in kerala. Am a malayalee vishwakarma aachaari. another question is am 18 yrs young do i have the rights to wear sacred thread even now?
ReplyDeleteOne can wear a sacred thread anytime one wants to, it is in the intent and interest of why you want to do it makes the difference. Once you wear the same one has to do gayatri without fail every day as prescribed by the Guru!
Deletekerala, calicut iyer brahmin friends also eat non veg..that problem is state and socity
DeleteI'm from viswakarma family my upanayanam samavarthanam vedastudies were done by father
DeleteHi, Consuming non veg is someone's personal choice. You can wear sacred thread now, yes.
ReplyDeleteMy surname or caste (comes from family) is 'Vishwakarma' and I am from Nepal. As far as I understands, according to vedas, vishwakarma should also be treated or classed as upper caste in Nepal as they are also the sons/daughter of lord bishwakarma. But it is just opposite in Nepal. Even in temple, lord vishwakarma's sculpture (murti) is kept in seperate place. Since Hindusm is the same for all, and vedas is there as a proof, why this discrimination? I am really confused.
ReplyDeleteIgnorence is the root cause of all the problems. Those who discriminate, do not know the Truth and even if they know, they do not want to accept it.
DeleteMy caste being Dhiman Brahmin, I am from the Vishavkarma lineage. Most of the Brahmins in Punjab, Haryana, Delhi and western U.P. consider us as Brahmins and some even higher than them.
Adi Sankara n't vishwakarma,he born in namboothiriBrahmin family.
ReplyDeletetake the sankara charitham and read...
DeleteDude! you are either ignorant or pretending to be one. Adi Shankara was born into a Vishwakarma family.
DeleteAdi sankara is a VISHWABRAHMIN,
ReplyDeleteIn kerala vishwakarmas where in OBC CATEGORY but we d'nt have any benificial for that because in kerala we VISHWAKARMAS are the third upcoming cast in kerala after nairs and ezhavas ,nairs are general category in kerala but ezhavas are OBC category in kerala and they have 8% special reservation but we are in OBC category but we are not only in this category there are several castes in this category Like nadar(more than Twenty castes)in this category have only 5% reservation there are so many poor students in kerala have d'nt get seats for education purposes in my opinion VISHWAKARMA get atleast 5% seperate reservation in all sector for the growth of VISHWAKARMA community in KERALA....:-*
ReplyDeleteThe clerics who are not the worshipers of Brahma are claiming themselves as Brahmins, Whereas the viswakarmas who are still worshiping Pancha mukha viswa brahma is not being considered as brahmins. What an Irony. ?????
ReplyDeleteIn vedic period Brahman were not a prominent one other than the 18 sects of purohithas. They were the followers of Atharva veda and were being treated as inferior when compared to other positions in yajna ,such as Hotha .Uthgatha and Adhairyu. Since vedic society was almost like a gotra –clan structure ,general public had almost equal social status. Slowly this system have been started collapsing when the local warrior clan started
ReplyDeletedisobeying the orders of council of gotras with the support of Brahmin purohithas. In order to help these warriors [ Rajanyas] to impose their divine right to rule ,and subduing the society mentally more, the brahmins created numerous superstitious rituals .They even dispelled the brahma from his supreme status. Thus the concept of samrajya ,Chacravarthy and a Brahmana- kshatriya nexus came in to practice.
A section of viswakarmas also the followers of the concept of Brahma since they were the direct descendent of Atharva-angira-bhuvana –viswakarma.gotra. Viswakarma goldsmith and other lohakaras are the followers of Twosta ,whose son Viswaroopa was a perfect Brahmin in veda. So the Brahmin hood associated with viswakarmas is divinely connected to the ancient Survamedha [creative works]described in rgveda [10-81,82] in which Viswakarma himself sitting as Hotha., and entirely different from the present day neo hindu Brahmanism and their symbolic rituals.
Brahmin is the abstract of Brahma.Brahma means Substance which can create Virad Vishwakarm or Brahma is the ultimate creator according to vedas.See Pancha Brahmooupanishad(1.1.1),Vishwakarma sukta(Refer RUGVEDAS 10th chapter (Dasama Mandala) suktas 81-82 & 90 )
ReplyDeleteNamboothiry,Potty,Iyer,Nair(Sudra),Ezhava(untouchable),Vadan,Kurava all can become brahmin according to CHATHUR VARNAM,BUT NEVER BECOME A PART OF BRAHMA KULAM.
NOTE-EVERY ONE CAN BECOME BRAHMIN ACCORDING TO CHATHUR VARNAM AND THEIR KARMA BUT NEVER BECOME A PART OF BRAHMA KULAM.BRAHMA KULAM IS VIRAT VISHWAKARMA AND PANCHA BRAHMAS ONLY......
ya said true
DeleteThe problem with the Viswakarma community of Kerala especially is due to the fact that we don't practice the viswabrabmin daily rituals, like chanting the Lord's Ekadasi manthra ' Ohm Virad Viswakarmane namah" and Viswakarma Ganapathi manthra " Ohm gm ganapathiye namha' and Gaythri manthra in two sandhyas. By chanting these and doing the Viswakarma kula works and Pancha Veda studying and wearing sacred thread and eating strict vegetarian food only we can regain our strength as individual Viswabrahmins and as socitey. Let Lord Viswakarma give us the courage and conviction to worship him and regain our lost prestige like in the Indus Valley Civilisation times.
ReplyDeletem also in same condition,i m vishwakarma nd d person i luv is mishra.i luve him so much but his dad is not aggry for our marriage bcz as per him we r lohar.he want proof dat if 5-10 brahmin pepole will aggry dat vishkwakrma comes in brahmin den only he will allow us to get marry
ReplyDeleteplease help me to get some proof
please all the brahmins people help me to know wether vishwakarma comes in brahmins or not
well said
ReplyDeleteam in love ,who is a vishvakarma boy,bt am family is nt aceptg our relatnship bcoz am a thiyya girl..bt v beliv tat one day all wil acept us
ReplyDeleteI tell you I am a Vishwakarma from Telangana, All marriages and vedic rituals are performed only by Vishwakarma Brahmins in within Vishwakarma community. We have 1. very specific vedic gotras. In many villages, towns and cities the temple priesthood and priests that perform marriages, child naming ceremonies etc are officiated by Vishwakarma brahmins. It is centuries old tradition in Telangana, it is well inscribed in many ancient edicts of 10th century CE Kakateeya inscriptions. My wife is Vishwakarma from Tirupati, Even in Tirupathi, Kalika Parameshwari Temple for centuries to till this day maintained by a family of Vishwakarma priests we prefer to marry within our own community we are both priests and highly skilled professionals. We need both intellectual abilities and aptitude for hard working for our professions- In modern terms our areas of expertise are - chemistry, Metallurgy, physics(strength of materials, properties of matter), architecture(vastu shastra), arts and sculpture, Mechanics etc. These areas formed the basis of our profession. We are hardworking and self sufficient, we earn our food , our Vishwakarma people never depend on the mercy of others, we never live on sweat and blood of other working people. There are Vishwakarmas from Kashmir to Kanyakumari, In Nepal too. Lord Vishwakarma, Caste of Vishwakarma are mentioned in Buddhist scriptures also. Asvaghosha the Buddhist monk of 1st century AD in his treatise- Vajrasoochi he clearly defines Brahmin more in the terms of Work and Scholarship. Very caste of brahmin originated in Medieval India. In early history of India a Brahmin is a scholar actively involved in teaching arts and sciences of the day and preaching values to the society.
ReplyDeleteBut somehow brahmins, Neogi Brahmins keep good company of Vishwakarmas. often that lead to marriages between communities. I street I grew up had only Brahmins and Vishwakarmas. Infact my brother married a Tamil brahmin without any major issues(both highly educated) and they live with my parents in India. Some time ago (15yrs) my grand father was approached by a brahmin caste elder asked about having an intercommunity dialogue regarding this issue of marriages between these two communities. I think it is acceptable and reasonable. Scholarship+ Hardworking you can win whole world.
If brahma is Brahmnin than his 13th son is vastu he is also Brahmin , & son of vastu was lord vishwakarma he is also Brahmin & we all vishwakarma society is Brahmin by birth
ReplyDeleteno further debate
very good sir this is the correct explanation you have provided here.
Deletethis is the fact .no one can say that it is wrong. now if anyone have doubt about it that vishwakarma is brahmin or not plz.. read history first
Yeah we vishwabramhanas arguing is true but can anyone tell here how are they proove themselves in society and having low population and how will they reaquire there positions is this posts only limited to be discussed in nets not publically and will public listen them who are very low in population who has no unity among themselves and bramhins who are thrice populated than us anyone has replies to this by knowing aadi shankaracharya belonging to twashta bramhana of vishwakarma so that all muts he established belongs to you and all temples belong to you you just keep arguing it in net blogs and even if you win and gave authorities how come you do priestsm or purohitism in this so low population caste only a handful have learnt vedas and you have no unity all castes are growing strong and well populated you keep onquarelling among yourselves give answers to this questions or just accept you are only for talking nothing more you can do....
ReplyDeleteJust arguing like this will never bring us to top. We have a good thing that most of others do not having is our individuality. Education is only tool we have at present come back to top. Please give our children good education rest of things come to us.
ReplyDeletecan we marriage between Brahmins and vishwakarmas as per hindu rule, ??? it's that possible
ReplyDeletegirl sharma and boy vishkwarma...is there any possibility...
Vishwakarmas are descendant of Brahmin, thus born brahmin. Vishwakarma has been following strict vegetarian food system and also have to wear sacred thread.No temples can be built without vishwakarma. Because only we know that we strictly adhere to the norms required when building a temple. Any temples built by other than vishwakarma will not be blessed temple. Now adays its true that most of the Vishwakarma have gone the non veg food system way. But whenever they are involved in any temple building then they strictly follow the norms assigned to and known only by vishwakarmas.Vishwakarmas have their own family temples and they themselves are the priest of that temple. The division and pushing vishwakarmas to the lower level was done by so called present upper caste the Brahmans for maintaining the upper caste status and so that there is no competitors. Vishwakarmas have their own vishwakarma manthras and also we have to learn vedas which is not done widely nowadays.
ReplyDeleteCan I know the movement that started in kerala for our rights. What is the main aim of the movement. We dont want reservation we need respect for our caste. Pls reply
ReplyDeleteVishwakarma is considered Brahmanauttama as he is the only Brahmana to be blessed with Shilpakala and Purohitege. Only he has the right to design and make Gods idol, temples and also practise purohitege. He is blessed with artistic shilpakala and can create beautiful designs on Gold, Wood, Stone, Iron and brass. In case of other Bramanas they have the right to practise only purohitege.
ReplyDeleteEvery one knows about devashilpi vishwakarma or bhuvana vishwakarma or bhavanavishwakarma nobody talks about viraat vishwakarma called as parabramha who is all universe father and Hos descendants are called vishwabramhanas and viraat vishwakarma didn't built temples nor sculptures and from him all emerged . he is viraat purusha in Vedas and do parabramha build temples and sculptures or weapons it was made by other vishwakarmas known in puranas and view at bushes karma has been described only in Vedas. And Viratvishwakarma descendants do engineering build temples build sculptures and invented shastras such as jyotirshastra,vaastushastra,vivahashastra(by this shastra following only both male and female got a rule of following and maintaining society and morality came from this shastra).
ReplyDeleteSir, I would like to bring to your notice one more piece of information. According to Atharvana veda, Pruthvi Suktha in 12th kanda which says that,
ReplyDeleteYasyam vedim parigruhnanti bhumayam
Yasyam yagnam tanvate Vishwakaramanah
Yasyam meyante swaravaha prudhivya
moordhvah sukraa ahutyaah purastat
saa noo bhumirvardhaya dwardhamanah (12-1-1-13)
which means
when the vishwakarmas build alters and perform yagnas on pruthvi (earth) the earth will flourish and so the people living on it.
and further it says that
taveme pruthivi panchamanava yebhyo
jyotiramrutham martyebhya udyan surya
rasmibhi ratanoti (12-1-1-15)
which means
Everyday surya bhagvan spreads his light rays to the entire humanity and all the living things on this earth through the panchamanava (vishwakarmas).
What else can we say to ignorant so called pundits about viswakarma community and the importance vedas have given to them.
K.V.Rao
hi to all... .. please read my message with utmost attention as most of people are miscarried away by not being able to understand how sukshma dharma really works which is the underlying point that many has failed to notice ... it is not just about brhamin or vishwa brahmin{ or who is the better one!!!!}........according to varnaasrama dharmam{reference taken from garuda puranam}.....people must never involve in intercaste marriages......as it will enivatably lead's in spoiling of the lineage of the forefathers that has been carried over for generations......and it will take at-least from 5-7 generations to recover or cleanse the sin through making sure that the girl/boy has to be married only in that caste for 5-7 generations without any fail or this will make the life in hell much worser[like we may well have to pass more then 1000 years in hell just to finish this one punishment]..........i have seen some messages of inter caste marriages that have mentioned earlier.. ......i want to say something on this.....all that is seen with this eye is not the only world.....pitru devatas{there are in 31 different ganas(like some of them will give you pusti,,,some are the reason for your medha or intelligence and boy the list goes on and on....) that they form very important play in governing this jeevakoti raasi along with devathas, who live on this earth,,,space and even in the universe } are so much crucial to our upliftment not just in and on this planet but also will help us in getting close to god......... this is only studied and understood and respected only by our rushi's or maharshi's of our india that is one of the prime reason why we call as sanaathana dhaarmeeyulu.... and when we broke the dharma like through intercaste marriage in this case ...there is no rule that some thing bad or negative effects or unprecedented repurcussions will have to be happened only or just in this life.....as we can never fullfill pitru runam{1 out of 5 runa's( other four are,,,,,deva, rushi, bhootha, manushya)] completely and that will ultimately result in strong barrier to the path of moksha and we must take several briths{this includes even in spending so much of time in hell to get rid of not just sin's(that happend due to abandoning or failed to fullfill pitru runam) but also most part of vaasana balam or vishaya vaasana's} and after that we must be able to overcome the issue of intercaste marriages with our sanskaara balam....only then can we take one step closer in the journey towards god!!!!!!!!!......i have left some more info that i have got but i will try and answer any further queries that is posted to me..........
ReplyDeleteawesome 100% true.
DeleteI am a telungana vishwabrahmin girl and I am born and bred in Malaysia. Both my parents are achari goldsmiths. Thank you for this post as I have learnt a lot about my caste, my parents are both educated in the Vedas and all males in my family wear the sacred string. Personally I feel that the caste system is not important in our current context of marriage, and what matters is, if you can spend the rest of your life with that person, despite the caste.
ReplyDelete1st comment was on TUESDAY, JANUARY 4, 2011
ReplyDeleteand I saw last comment on March 12, 2015 at 12:15 AM..
People were really interested in this issue so that they are being participating in this commentary from past 4 years.
WOW! I'm really thankful to those people who really gave this abundant information and was really impressed for their zeal about vishwakarma community. Myself belongs to same brotherhood.
Even I heard many stories about viswabrahmins vs brahmins... which initially starts with Vyas bhagawan..
But what I understood was Even though it was said that brahmins are not real brahmins and what so ever... most of the vishwa brahmins have left their religious path (NOT ALL THE PEOPLE but many I can say). Particularly they don't even care about doing puja everyday.. In addition most of the vishwa brahmins from Andhra pradesh and Telangana, where I used to live, were Non Vegitarians in such a way that they want to taste every item of interest(Edible one)..and find themselves very proud to be vishwabrahmin.
If you are really a vishwabrahmin then you should definitely follow some rules...which vedas has adviced you..
It doesn't mean to criticize some one whoever following that path like some brahmins..and I do appreciate them for it. And if were interested in the same stick those beliefs and follw them without fits and starts. That make a Better vishwabrahmin.
In india if you go through history these community, religion, state & language differences not allowing people to stay united in any means.. that was that the major thing observed by British and utilizes our manpower and resources like anyone had ever expected. Its not0 at all the mistake as per the law of nature. If you are weak enough in someway a smalll bacteria is enough to make you to pass away.. they have planned well and suppressed us certainly.
Even after 60 years independence we are facing the same kind of differences yet, which resembles we are not developed yet. Need a transformation.
What I believe was - If you know some god and you think he is a real oe just believe in him.. and dont ever say that others are nothing and you don't even justify that.
If you want to marry some Muslim/Christian/Sikh girl I think you are eligible as human..and can follow your belief without interfering the religious views of your partner with proper understanding . and not if you are a monkey/Pig/some Non social animal
Hii frnds, I related to jangra brahmins and i love a boy who is tonk brahmin but my parents said that they are from lower caste than jangras and dnt allow us to get marry but the boys famly accept our realtn because they said that they are from higher caste than jangras as they said that they are( barhais )which is the higher caste from all brahmins from which vishwakarma ji belong as all the brahmins are barhais because it is the foremost caste under which all castes of brahmins come ... Please tell me what is that bullshit of castes which my parents said all the tym....
ReplyDeleteI believe that we all are brahmins and clr and blood clr also same so from where this bullshit comes that this comes under and all that nonsense
Plz tel me why do vishwabramin belong to bc? and vishwabramins are not belong to oc ?
ReplyDeleteAs vishwakarma's(vishwabramhins) are belongs to upper big caste equal to bramhins but according to governament caste system was divided on the basis of hand works.as vishwa karma's are carpenters,black smiths,goldsmiths,temple designers.we do work with our hands with tools.that'swhy we are been kept in bc.but according to castes, vedas that was proves and was written that vishwa karma's are big in caste as like bramhins.vshwakarmas are not less than bramhins but treated equal with bramhins.
DeleteIf you believe in Vedas..... than according to work caste were decided..... now rules were changed
ReplyDeleteThat sucks the mind of the people who believe in casteism....
Vishwabramins are unparalleled than today's bramins.becoz they are true children of vishwaparabrahmam.now a days reservation and caste politics made them depressed. But original deivaigna brahmins are the shristi kartha,create of the universe,kammalar,achariyars,vishwabrahmins.they born from divine rishis namely sanaha rishi,sanadhana rishi,ahabhuvans rishi,prathnasha rishi,subharnasha rishi.they are the primordial rishis.so vishwabrahmins are separate than other intervene brahmins.vishwabrahmins are unique and highly orthodox than temple priest brahmin.if yoiu have any doubt refer plz refer rigveda and pranav Veda particularly.
ReplyDeletesome communities and some bramhins dont know the correct meaning of vishwakarma.if u read "YAJURVEDA" then will be known very clearly about vishwakarma and the vishwakarma caste is the bigghest caste in the human world that all will accept after reading in "YAJURVEDA".
ReplyDeleteI have researched on this and came to know that..
ReplyDeleteActually Vishwa Brahmins is not the correct word .The actual word is vishwa brahmas. Means they do the work belonging to world.
The Vishwa karma community comprises five sub-groups—carpenters, blacksmiths, bell metalworkers, goldsmiths and stonemasons.
But on passing the years the vishwa brahmas changed to the word vishwa brahmins.They themselves declared as vishwa brahmins.
sreyan sva-dharmo vigunah
para-dharmat sv-anusthitat
sva-dharme nidhanam sreyah
para-dharmo bhayavahah
It is far better to discharge one's prescribed duties, even though they may be faulty, than another's duties. Destruction in the course of performing one's own duty is better than engaging in another's duties, for to follow another's path is dangerous.
Here as Bhagavadgita says following others dharma may lead to bad karma.Result of which should be experienced by so done individual.
Be aware of it.
????? what man , here who is following others Dharma. Anyone who knowns about Vedas and its value should not tell like this , they should better understand the meaning of Vishwakarma...
DeleteWhen ever we are discussing the relative position of one caste or other we should consider the present socio evonomic conditons.
ReplyDeletetoday the socio economic condition of the vishwakarmas is comparable to the dalits or even worse since we dont have any significant representation in the lok sabha or any state assemblies . The only possible affirmative action that can be taken to uplift the communities youth is to either carve out a special quota out of the obc , but such a move will not be implemented through out the states as has been done in bihar where badhai has been put under EBC category. we should join as a communiity and demand SC status to our community as the present socio economic condition demands and not waste our time debating the vedas since their authority has been replaced by the constitution of india which can be considered as the sole protector of the communities which dont wield social power either because of the economic might or through the resources available
Hello i have one query Regarding Am vishvakarma (Wooden Work Community)like thachar. i want to know we eating the Non veg Food is good or bad.
ReplyDeleteam not eating Non Veg please repy
It is true that Vishwakarma are the original Brahmin by birth; stated by scholars. In ancient times they commanded much respect from others not only because the society depended on this community for every thing including shelter, worship, weapons, utensils, ornaments etc. but also due to their Vedic and literary knowledge. But later on, others by virtue of amassing wealth and power suppressed this community making them poor and helpless; this situation lead to their getting OBC status after independence for their economic upliftment.
ReplyDeleteViswakarma is the Highest God Almighty unknown to the world.He created Brahma,Vishnu,Maheswara,Adi Parashakti and other Gods.He gave all Gods weapons,Houses,Abodes to make His will carried out.He is cruel to none,the kindest,Second to None.He even didn't expect any worship.He didn't recommend any worship.No one knows This.He is sometimes called Purusha.He is beyond the caste.His descents are above the caste.He is the Mightiest.He is the most humble.
ReplyDeleteNanu kuda vishwakarma, very satisfied with all those beautiful answers now I can proudly say that I'm an vishwakarma
ReplyDeleteYes Vishwakarma/ Vishwabrahman also brahmins
ReplyDeleteThe problem with the Viswakarma society is that they are divided and in most of the cases, they have stopped their cultural and traditional practices as mentioned in the vedic literature. Due to this their status in the society started to decline, whereas the Brahmin society has kept their practices going one hence they still hold the status in the society. Most of the Viswakarma Society are economically backward, they must focus on education and come together so that as a Viswakarma Society they are move up in the mainstream of our political dynamics. The Viswakarma Society must put up a representation to Bring the Viswakarma people under the OC category, this will strengthen the morale of the new generation.
ReplyDeleteThe society must teach the new generation the knowledge of Vedas, Purans and should practice.
Hope all will agree on these lines